London Bombings..

[BikeMaster]

Okay i may be a bit late in posting this but here goes..

This has been something which i often wonder about and i would like to see/hear ur responses..


Why is it that when something is done it is ISLAM that is put to trial and not the group or person who did it?
I mean..if a Christian man..RAPES..MURDERS..do the Headlines read CHRISTIAN MAN RAPED AND MURDERED? no it reads for example John Man killed and raped..it says nothing about his faith or beliefs..
Yet when a muslim group or person does something of that sort..it is Islam that is being called...
What is ur View on this?

[- Big&Blue -]

ever seen the movie "Wag the Dog?"

people think today that bearded men with a short thob wanna murder every1 however in reality life is sacred to them, as regards islam being blamed im doubtful that the news, reports, web pages that the western media claim that "al qai3da claimed responsibility" or " this group" claimed responsibility is just horseshit...yes there are groups fighting for the religion for example...when u see a humvee being blown in iraq...its mujahideen but when people ram a car loaded with explosives into a market or a school....u gotta ask urself questions

[LuminaSS_73]

Well it could also be the fact that once these guys commit their crimes they claim under the name of Islam or some of their group names incorporates islaam into their name , such as jamaat Al islamiah and then again its all politics

[GT-R34]

wt kinda Qs ?
muslims are blamed all over the world for the shitty work of some STUPID ppl that wt ever they do they say its in the name of ISLAM ! wt do u want ppl to say ?
they r ****ed up,they need 2 DIE ! they kill kids and ppl that has nothing 2 do with politics,thats not fair !! i wish they all DIE

[- Big&Blue -]

wt kinda Qs ?
muslims are blamed all over the world for the shitty work of some STUPID ppl that wt ever they do they say its in the name of ISLAM ! wt do u want ppl to say ?
they r ****ed up,they need 2 DIE ! they kill kids and ppl that has nothing 2 do with politics,thats not fair !! i wish they all DIE


yup i agree they r not worth livin, on the iraqi channel i saw the interview of those who were captured ...some from tunisi, n other places...illiterate goofs who believe it or not when asked about why they didnt go to palestine said they had no idea there was a conflict there!!!!!!!!!!! they loot, kill, bomb.....even though muslims will be blamed no matter what i still have a deja vu feeling bout all thats happening.....the latest in bombing in egypt....its just sickening....

[Red Shoe Diaries]

Because Islam encourages terrorist acts. We dont see other religions doing these acts!

[MUSTANG GT]

Because Islam encourages terrorist acts. We dont see other religions doing these acts!
could we know one of these acts please :buttkick:

[ZOSicK]

i hate it when innocnent ppl get to die .. they have nothing to do with anything goin on politically .. this makes me feel so sick to even be human :(

[BikeMaster]

Yes it is true that some ppl it is in the name of Islam...but i can also go out there and kill 10 ppl and say it is in the name of a Chevy V8...is that the truth?

I am saying..when a muslim gets a speeding ticket..Islam is put to Shame..when it is not the religion's fault it is the ppl's fault..the media..i just ask..why is religion called into it..not all just Islam...
did u ever hear a headline that reads
CHRISTIAN MAN BOMBS BAR AND KILLS 5ppl? No.. the headline would ready Lunatic or Crazyman Bombs bar and kills 5 ppl no matter what he say's his cause was for..

[Biker Girl]

i live in the usa and i am from the south..when i first started wearing hijab i was the only one in my city who did...most people there had never seen a real life muslim before...they had just seen/heard things on TV and for whatever stupid reason...most people here believe everything they see on TV...why they do this i have no idea...i have people argue with me about what islam really teaches as if they know more than i do..i admit i am not a scholar or the most knowledgeable but still i know what i believe...after 9/11 i got numerous death threats , my car and home were vandalized..the funniest thing to me was when people would tell me to "go back home" never realizing i am american with no ties to any other country ..my whole family is white american which just seems to be beyond their comprehension...now after all of the experiences i have had...i think the reason people blame the religion instead of the person is their misconception of what islam really is....they have separated religion from their daily lives totally...they think of their religion on sunday then monday forget and go on..while in islam we dont think along these lines...EVERYTHING a muslim does begins in the name of Allah swt...so when a "muslim" does an act such as 9/11 or the london bombings people ASSUME it is the religion when it isnt..they do not understand what is really taught in islam so they take their own twisted version.. no one likes to believe that "one of their own" could have done this terrible thing ..it is always the other guy who is crazy and does bad things..so it makes them have a sense of superiority but in reality it is their own way of denying the evils in their own backyard...if they are constantly looking at the wrongs of others then they dont have to pay attention to their own...and this is a very dangerous thing that one day will come back to haunt them...anyway this is just my thoughts based on the experiences i have had with people...

[GT-R34]

Because Islam encourages terrorist acts. We dont see other religions doing these acts!

encourages terrorists !?!?!?!

WHO SAID THAT !! islam doesnt encourge that u go kill ur self just for the heck of killing ur self !!

so u say i can go kill any one on the streets and say well he is not muslim ?
NOOO thats wrong,islam encourge that u (tistashiden) for islam or for ur country,not for the heck of doing it,,u think them killing (ppl) that has NOTHING to do with anything they belive in (terrorists)is gona get them into heaven ?
they need 2 be sent right to hell for doing that !
im starting to lose it :P im really angry,,sorry for the **** ive wrote

[Red Shoe Diaries]

Islam encourages people to die for their beliefs! And their beliefs are most of the time wrong! Which means its the religions fault for putting this resort to use in the first place!

[Biker Girl]

Islam encourages people to die for their beliefs! And their beliefs are most of the time wrong! Which means its the religions fault for putting this resort to use in the first place!


how do u know their beliefs are wrong? i am not sure if you have ever heard of the columbine shootings..i thinkit was during those shootings but a teenage girl was murdered b/c she stood up and said she was a christain with a firm belief in Jesus Christ...i dont know if your christian or jewish ,,hindu or what...but in every religion people who have a strong faith are willing to die for it ..not just in islam..are all of those people wrong as well..you sit in judgement of things you know nothing about...you do not have a right to judge and condemn others...you may have a different opinion but you dont know what is in another person's heart ...so are you going to tell me this girl's beliefs are wrong as well? and she was influenced by islam b/c i can promise you ..she wasnt...so are you also willing to blame christainity for what this girl did? is it the religion's fault? or do you think what she did was noble or b/c she had a firm belief in God?

[Red Shoe Diaries]

All i know is that i have the right to live. And if your religion tells you its OK for you to kill me and alot of innocent people with me, then screw you and your religion!

Thats the concept i'm trying to understand! Its not right!

[Striker]

BECAUSE they're natural born asssholes!



And most of the muslims live in the MIDDLE EAST!

and BECAUSE they want to let their citizens support the act of hating us BECAUSE they want out resources BECAUSE they'll never ever have them BECAUSE we are filthy rich BUT we are too lazy to work our butts off and fight and BECAUSE they're scared of Iran (the only country that america and other european are scared off and will never ever touch it.)


What I think is the following:

1) The 9/11 incident was palned by a top secret agency in america that has support from the government and the pentagon, There are some theories that prove it.. the pentagon crash!! There was no ****ing plan! and the whole was too small!

2) The JFK incident was planed by the government, so after all the government was dirty and rotten years ago!

3) There was no such thing as israel... America gathered all of the jews and threw them at palestaine and called it israel!

4) The Gulf war was iginited by America... And I would think that While the war was on.. ahahah America was stealing some oil resources from both countries!

5) America toke over Iraq for their resources.

6) America bombed london and they framed a couple of muslim guys!



Arabs are too lazy and that's a fact.. They just enjoy keeping money for them selves! even if they don't use it!

ahahha the oil in bahrain might cost more money than Richard Branson's empire!

[Striker]

All i know is that i have the right to live. And if your religion tells you its OK for you to kill me and alot of innocent people with me, then screw you and your religion!

Thats the concept i'm trying to understand! Its not right!

I get it that you're shallow minded!

Yea ok, Go ahead and live.. No problem!!!!!

Our religion doesn't say that it's ok to kill you!!!

If you do not understand anything about our religion, please don't bother talking!

It's better off to be silent than blabering around about something you do not know! GO READ and EDUCATE yourself before replying! That's what I do! I talk about something I know not about something I have no idea of!


It's called JEHAD!! Go look it up! Defending ourselves!!

[Striker]

But the bombing helped Iraq.... and 3/4 of the british troops are returning back home!

and 1/2 of the american troops are going back home as well!


Now that would make Iraq work easier!


Well, bas.. killing innocent people!!

It's not their fault!

But if they don't want to go and get killed.. they should PROTEST! 5ala9! to make their governments understand!!! Right?

[Red Shoe Diaries]

3) There was no such thing as israel... America gathered all of the jews and threw them at palestaine and called it israel!

You got your facts all screwed up! Isael has been there way before any arab showed up and way before any muslim declared islam!!!

Its the barabarian arabs that came and slaughtered and drove the jews that lived there since the days of MOSES when they crossed the red sea from Egypt!

[Striker]

You got your facts all screwed up! Isael has been there way before any arab showed up and way before any muslim declared islam!!!

Its the barabarian arabs that came and slaughtered and drove the jews that lived there since the days of MOSES when they crossed the red sea from Egypt!

We've got ourselves a history teacher over here :banana:


you spelled barbarian wrong....


My dear Red Shoe Diary, Mouses was a prophet from allah and Mouses had a message to declare and spread Islam but he failed and So they called themselves Jews and thought Mouses was god or something like that!

and later on Allah sent the Jesus he was a prophet as well... But he failed to send his message.. Same story as Mouses.

and later on allah sent mohammed the prophet of Islam.. and succeeded to spread Islam all over the world!


and every prophet has a Miracle!

[Red Shoe Diaries]

We've got ourselves a history teacher over here :banana:


you spelled barbarian wrong....
I read in a earlier thread somewhere that you're only 16, its obviously true!And no i'm not a teacher, i just know enough about my routes, unlike you!

[Striker]

I read in a earlier thread somewhere that you're only 16, its obviously true!


I edited my post!

I really wasn't in the mood to argue with you!


Yea obviously true??

Why did I hurt your EGO about me being more maturer than you????

[Red Shoe Diaries]

We've got ourselves a history teacher over here :banana:


you spelled barbarian wrong....


My dear Red Shoe Diary, Mouses was a prophet from allah and Mouses had a message to declare and spread Islam but he failed and So they called themselves Jews and thought Mouses was god or something like that!

and later on Allah sent the Jesus he was a prophet as well... But he failed to send his message.. Same story as Mouses.

and later on allah sent mohammed the prophet of Islam.. and succeeded to spread Islam all over the world!


and every prophet has a Miracle!
You spelt MOSES wrong, and the plural for mouse is mice!

[Striker]

Oooh yea thanks for correcting me

and you made a couple of grammar mistakes,

Such as:

I read in a earlier thread somewhere that you're only 16

I read in an earlier thread somewhere that you're only 16.


its obviously true

It's obviously true!.

And no i'm not a teacher

and no I'm not a teacher

(The 'AND' was not necessary in this sentence.)

i just know enough about my routes

I just know enough about my routes.

(You could've made a better sentence, Since you taught me the plural of mouse.)

[Biker Girl]

All i know is that i have the right to live. And if your religion tells you its OK for you to kill me and alot of innocent people with me, then screw you and your religion!

Thats the concept i'm trying to understand! Its not right!

who said you did not? and i would ask where in my religion does it say that killing innocent people is allowed? islam specifically says if you kill one innocent it is as if you have killed all of mankind but if you have saved the life of one innocent person then it is as if you have saved all of mankind...islam does not in anyway shape or form allow the killing of innocent people...even during war there are rules of what is and is not allowed to be done...you cannot do as you please ..the only thing islam allows is self defense..which as far as i know so does every other religion as well...if you dont understand something you should ask..do not be so ignorant to believe what you have seen on TV or look to the acts of a handful of people who say they are "muslim" and then say this is what the religion teaches...it is not what the religion teaches it is simply the acts of a few individuals...i can say anything i could say your religion teaches you to hate i can say your stupid...does it make it true?????


the one thing i feel is the most important thing and it is something i teach my children do not accept what ANYONE says about your religion..i dont care who they are or where they come from..study and find out what the religion really teaches b/c people say anything these days...if it suits them they take it if not they leave it..people have forgotten what it means to be submissive and obedient to the one who created them...so i challenge you to bring me one thing from quran that says an INNOCENT person who has done no wrong can be killed and muslims have a right to kill INNOCENT people b/c you wont find any such thing...

look at the acts commited in Abu Gharib prison in iraq and then at the ones in Guantanomo Bay Cuba...people do bad things ..should i now say that ALL americans are barbarians ? b/c of the acts of those few ??? and that it is the religion that teaches them to act in such a way? i would say it is the lack of understanding of religion ..not the religion it self...

and then for the two of you ..this is a very serious topic try to stay on it and discuss it like mature people if you cant do that then dont say anything at all.....

[Des]

You spelt MOSES wrong, and the plural for mouse is mice!

As a total neutral person I have to advice you to take your Israel/Palestina discussion elsewhere...

[Striker]

and then for the two of you ..this is a very serious topic try to stay on it and discuss it like mature people if you cant do that then dont say anything at all.....

Jegar, 3an el `3ala6 3ad!!!

I don't know you and you don't know me, so please stay behind the line!

[zambezi]

Because Islam encourages terrorist acts. We dont see other religions doing these acts!

I've never heard that...in fact after the bombings here the Islamic leaders from various mosques went on TV and in the papers stating that these were terrorist acts commited by British Muslims and that these young people should realise that they are being brain washed by terrorists and that the promise of paradise they are promised would not be their reward and that
these acts are NOT in the name of Islam.

I agree that too much is made of the fact that these terrorists are Muslims the problem is though that after these suicide bombings it's always an Islamic group that claims responsibility.

Red Shoe Diaries, I'm British and ALL my life I've lived in a world where CHRISTIANS were bombing shops, tubes etc here in the UK, ever heard of Sin Fein? In Northern Ireland there's a very tentative peace right now but since I was a kid Catholics and Protestants were killing each other and plenty of innocent others in the name of their religion!!!

[Red Shoe Diaries]

Yes Zambezi, those days when every weekend would turn into a bombing escapade are gone! Thank God. But that was again the IRA! I guess there was a religious element to it! Catholics and protestants, am I right?

I was watching SKY news, and it was funny to see the presenter on a talk show ask a muslim british lady this question:

"Are you muslim or british?"

I thought it was a stupid question that was intended at raising a controversial issue! I mean, what does religion have to do with nationality?

I guess the real question should be....

"Why are these bombers doing this?" We want to know the real reason! What makes young british boys who have been brought up in UK do these things for the sake of their religion? Why? Is it Iraq? Is it palestine? Is it the propaganda?

I think the best way to brain wash a person is to fabricate his morals and beliefs, and the best way is to use "religion", and the best religion for that is islam!!!

Islam opens the gates for those who can interpret it the way they want! This should not be the case! I think its a flaw in the religion!

[JonnybravoM3]

Because Islam encourages terrorist acts. We dont see other religions doing these acts!

oh yea? ever heard of Palestine's invasion in 1948 by the British and the Jews/Israeli's? The numerous projects to demolish houses, to kick people out into the streets, to murder women and children, to stand with semi-automatics in front of people as they are trying to pray at their local mosque (especially in front of the Aqsa)...

my grandparents were among those kicked out of their houses at gun point in the middle of the night... is this not terrorism? noo this is democracy right ? according to that PIG sharon and the Fcuk buddies who are Blair and Bush.. lives were ruined, people were killed, and for what?

what people need to ask themselves these days is WHY these bombers are attacking..... before jumping to conclusions on how rational or otherwise the attacks are... Muslims world-wide are angry and frustrated... why? because the West believe that they can just walk in and invade and that we wont care... of course we care! and can we take it to the United Nations or the International Courts of Justice? NO! why? lets just say, Money talks and Sh1t walks.... Kofi Annan is far from being 'Neutral' for example... he didnt agree with the invasion of Iraq.. but Bush didnt care and went for it... can Kofi or the UN do anything about it? what is the main purpose of the UN and why was it established in the first place? Its just a biiig waste of space...

How dare you suggest that Islam encourages terrorist acts!! I'm far from an extremist mind you... i'm actually the complete opposite.. but i am loyal to my religion and love my God enough to fight for it and for whats right... the term ISLAM translated means "peace"... therefore, this is what it promotes.... fine some morons over-do it and take it way outa proportion with bombings in the name of Allah...but this is only a minority... To be honest, nobody has the right to point the finger and criticize... look at the Crusades in the 13th Century? English attempt to invade Palestine... killing all round... (terrorism)... Sabra and Shatila in Lebanon from Israel (Terrorism)... Invasion of Iraq and of Afghanistan under false reasoning since no nuclear bloody weapons were found (Terrorism), Israel's continued bombings in Palestine where Palestinians carry stones and the Israeli soldiers have tanks and planes... hmmm .. very fair indeed... obviously supplied by Blair and Bush (Terrorism on all 3 fronts)... You thought Nazi Germany and Holocaust was bad... the Israelis are doing MUCH MUCH worse now! **Notice how i didnt say 'JEW'... it is not a criticism of the religion... but only some of the people who take it out of proportion! **

I rest my case...

[BikeMaster]

People...I did not open this thread to upset any faith or person..i think some of you may be missing the point...

The point is the Media prints in LARGE FONT MUSLIM or ISLAM..and the thing is ppl believe it? Is that fair? Is that correct to blame the largest and fastest growing religion in the world because of the minority of people whose translation of the faith is incorrect? There is no faith that is completely understood or completely followed..if u say Christains..it isnt followed exactly to the bible...if you saw muslims it isnt followed exactly the way it should be either. If it Wrong to Blame one's faith...blaming faith will only cause hatred and more damage to communities. If people do not NOW realize that it is not the faith to be blamed but the person...then we are in for a bigger suprise than we think..
IF chrisitans blame muslims..muslims blame jews..and so forth.. we are killing or judging ppl who are innocent already! not every jew is bad..not every muslim is bad and not every christian is bad.. just because a group or person re-acts in a manner to blame the enitre faith is wrong..,,
As for the lady.. (forgive me..Dairies something ur nick is) I wish to ask u a question if i may...
I assume you are a woman so my example will be based on that..
If you fell in love with a man..then u found out that THAT man's father was a murderer or a thief..would u blame the man you love for his father's actions? would u also think he is the same as if father? I do not think so..because we are different..if someone does wrong..we cannot blame the kid..the father or the ancestors b/c THAT would be Ignorant..wouldnt it?

Please try to Stick to the Topic..This is not a HATE thread..I opened this thread to see the different idea's people have.. Should this Thread go outta hand i will ask for it to be closed.
:up2:

[Gemballa GT 600]

islam specifically says if you kill one innocent it is as if you have killed all of mankind but if you have saved the life of one innocent person then it is as if you have saved all of mankind...

if you dont understand something you should ask..do not be so ignorant to believe what you have seen on TV or look to the acts of a handful of people who say they are "muslim" and then say this is what the religion teaches...

Very well said. I advice Red diaries to invest some time in reading and education instead of coming on here and making herself look either ignornat or showing her cards which is a plan to destroy the image of Islam on the net...


You got your facts all screwed up! Isael has been there way before any arab showed up and way before any muslim declared islam!!!

Lesson 1,
Its funny to see you unable to spell your own country right! Are you doing something else while you are typing ? just a question cuz you seem to loose to focus!

The Jews were in Palestine before the Arabs declared Islam but the Jews got defeated by the Assiryans in 721 BC and they were long gone as you will see in lesson 3

ca. 1,250
Israelite conquest of Canaan.
965 - 928
King Solomon (Sulayman), construction of the temple in Jerusalem.
928
Division of the Israelite state into the kingdom of Israel and Judah.
721
Assyrian conquest of the kingdom of Israel.


Its the barabarian arabs that came and slaughtered and drove the jews that lived there since the days of MOSES when they crossed the red sea from Egypt!

Typing without supportive proof is meaningless... full history of Palestine is coming up...

lesson 2,

If you are going to talk about manslaughter then you very well described what the jewish terrorist groups (Haganah, Irgon, Stern Gang) did
against the Palestinians

[I]March 1921: formation of the Haganah (Jewish underground terror organization)

1931- Irgon, another Jewish terrorist organization, formed by Zionist extremists and those who split from Haganah. Led by Vladimir Jabutinsky

April - August 1938: Irgon (Jewish underground terror organization) starts offensive against the Palestinians killing 119. Palestinians resist killing 8

October 1939: Separatists from the Zionist Irgon organization form the Stern gang headed by Abraham Stern

July 22 1945, Irgon blows up the King David Hotel in Jerusalem killing 91 people (among them British, Palestinian and Jewish employees of the mandate)

Just a few terrorists acts by the Jews..

[Gemballa GT 600]

lesson 3,
Where in all of this did the Zionist movement go ? Here let me educate you even more...

1878
First Zionist settlement (Petach Tiqva) established under the guise of agricultural community

1882-1903
First wave of Zionists (25000 strong) enters Palestine as illegal immigrants from Eastern Europe.

1882
French Baron E. de Rothschild starts backing Zionists activities in Palestine financially.

1896
Theodor Hertzl, a journalist from an Austro-Hungarian origin published Der Judenstaat (The Jewish State) advocating the establishment of a Jewish state in Palestine or elsewhere

1896
JCA (Jewish Colonization Association) starts aiding Zionist settlements in Palestine.

1897
First Zionist congress in Switzerland issues the Basle Program "calling for a home for the Jewish people in Palestine" and establishes the WZO (World Zionist Organization to that end.

1901
JNF (Jewish National Fund) set up by the 5th Zionist congress to acquire land (in Palestine) and 'make it Jewish'.

1904-1914
Second wave (around 40000 strong) of Zionist illegal immigrants arrive in Palestine and increase the Jewish percentage to 6% of the total population.

1909
First Zionist Kibbutz (collective farm), establishment of Tel Aviv north of Yaafa.

1917
- November: The Balfour declaration - UK foreign minister declares support towards establishing a Jewish state in Palestine

1919- 1923
- Third wave of Zionist-Jewish immigrants (around 35000) raising their percentage in Palestine to 12%, with land ownership at 3%.

1922 October: 1st British census in Palestine found total population to be 757182 , 78% of whom were Muslim Arabs, 9.6 Christian Arabs and 11 % Jewish (mainly new immigrants)

1924-1928
4th wave of Zionist immigrants (67000) arrives (50% of whom were from Polonia). This increases Jewish percentage to 16%, with land ownership up to 4.2 % in 1928).

1925
- Vladimir Jabutinsky's Zionist party calls for the establishment of a Jewish state in Palestine and east of the River Jordan. Stresses the military aspects of Zionism.

1929-1939
5th Zionist immigration wave brings 250000 immigrants raising their percentage to 30% and their land ownership to 5.7 %

1935 October: Zionist revisionists leave the World Zionist Organization and establish a new one aiming at "liberating" Palestine and East Jordan

1937 April: The Irgon, headed by Jabutinsky, re-organizes and calls for start of raids against Palestinians

1940 - 1945
- Over 60,000 Zionist/Jewish immigrants enter Palestine (over 20,000 'illegally' as determined by Britain who controlled borders). Jewish/Zionist percentage rises to 31% and land they control to 6%.

1945 September: Zionist influx resumes, protected by the Haganah (Zionist terror organization).

1946 May: Anglo-America committee report indicates 61, 000 - 69,000 armed members in Zionist organizations Stern, Haganah and Irgon; declares special armies illegal, recommends 100,000 more immigrants and the cancellation of land ownership regulations. Palestinians strike in protest.

1946 July: British white paper on terrorism in Palestine accuses Haganah, Stern and Irgon of 'violence and destruction'

July: Anglo-American conference convenes in London, suggests a federal plan (M-G) to solve the Palestinian problem. Suggestions rejected by both Zionist and Palestinian leaders.

1947 April 28 - May 15: UN General Assembly convenes the Palestine session, forms the 11-member UNSCOP committee

- September 8: UNSCOP report published. Majority of its members suggest partition, minority suggest federal solution

- September 29: Arab Higher Committee rejects the partition plan.
- October 2: the Jewish Agency accepts the partition plan.

- November 29: UN general Assembly votes on an amended partition plan calling for a 56.5 % of Palestine for a Jewish state, 43 % for a Palestinian one and internationalization of Jerusalem. Votes were 33 for, 13 against, 10 abstinations. Arab representatives left the meeting.

- November 30: The Haganah calls for Jews aged 17 to 25 to enlist for military service
- December: Arab League establishes the "Arab Salvation Army" from Arab non-regular volunteers, headed by Fawzi Qawikji.

- December 8: Britain presents a recommendation to the UN calling for an end of its mandate on Palestine, immediate formation of a Jewish state and a Palestinian state two weeks after.

December 21 - March 1948: Zionist organizations Irgon and Haganah start coastal ethnic cleansing of Palestinian villages

1948 March 18: American president, Truman, receives Chaim Weizman and promises to support the declaration of the Jewish State on May 15.

- March 30 - May 15: 2nd coastal cleansing operation by the Haganah against Palestinians between Haifa and Yafa

- April 9: Deir Yassin massacre. Irgon and Stern terrorists kill 250 civilians in this village in Jerusalem district

- April 12: General Zionist Council decides to establish an independent state in Palestine on May 16.


- April 15 - May 25: Operation Yiftah captures Safad and uses psychological war to expel Palestinians. Operation Sweeper drives bedouins to Jordan River.
- April 16 - 17: Golani and Palmach units occupy Tabariyya (Tiberias) after British forces leave. Palestinian residents leave.
- April 17: Security Council calls for a military and political truce

- April 21: Operation Misparim. British forces leave Haifa, Haganah launches offensive.

- April 22: Local defenders in Haifa lose. Residents leave due to heavy shelling and round offensive.

- April 26 - 30: Haganah launches Operation Yabusi on and around Jerusalem and occupies areas there.

- April 27 - May 5: Irgon and Haganah intensifies shelling and ground offensive on Yafa (Operation Hamets) leading to expulsion of 50000

- April 30: Haganah captures all areas of West Jerusalem and expels Palestinians

- May 3: Reports say Zionist attacks left about 175,000 - 200,000 Palestinian refugees

- May 8 - 16: Haganah launches Operation Maccabi capturing villages on the Ramle-LaTrun road

- May 9 - June 1: Operation Barak. Haganah attacks around Ramle

- May 10 - 15: Golani brigade captures Bisan and launches attacks in area

- May 12 - 14: Zionist forces receive more arms shipments arrive from Czechoslovakia

- May 13: ASA and local fighters attack Gush Etsion and captures it in return of Zionists attack on the Hebron road. Yafa surrenders to the Haganah.

- May 13 - 21: Operation Ben Ami. Carmeli brigade captures Akka 9Acre) and coastal areas north of the city

- May 14: Haganah launches offensive on Jerusalem after British forces leave. Some residential areas captured in old city. An Israeli state was declared in Tel Aviv at 4 pm. USA president Truman recognizes the state

- May 15: British mandate ends. Israeli state declaration takes effect.

The Full history of Palestine can be found here (http://www.palestine-net.com/history/bhist.html)

good night :dum:

[Phoenix]

spare ur time GGT600 .... RSD is not from Tel Aviv .... HER ip indicates that SHE is located in Bahrain.


Have fun :wave:

[Striker]

GGT660.. 9ej enak neshee6!


Now those are facts!

and those are lessons!


Silver Arrow: Maybe she is from tel aviv and now she's living in bahrain!

[Red Shoe Diaries]

The moment this discussion becomes targeted at me personally, then I will not longer reply or contribute.

Sorry if I upsetted anyone, the day when muslims start thinking logically rather than moraly or sentimenttally.... we will be able to all sit, talk and live in peace!

[Striker]

RSD... The replies were not directed to you in any sort of way!

You gave me a small history lesson

I gave you a larger one!

and GemballaGT600 gave you a huge!


This is only giving and taking of information between members!


So do not get upset, Please!

[Gemballa GT 600]

The moment this discussion becomes targeted at me personally, then I will not longer reply or contribute.

Sorry if I upsetted anyone, the day when muslims start thinking logically rather than moraly or sentimenttally.... we will be able to all sit, talk and live in peace!

The moment you arent always turned on and stop attacking our religon then we might spare you some time to reply to you. We not just think logically but factly (my own word) cuz everything i said is FACTS unless you can prove otherwise

your own information ms. escort

Birthday:
January 1, 1969
Biography:
ALWAYS TURNED ON
Location:
TEL AVIV
Interests:
SEXUAL INTERCOURSE
Occupation:
ESCORT AGENT


P.S. i expected your vague answer because you can't prove otherwise or prove what i posted is not true. Instead of "always turned on" i suggest to you ms. escort to spare some of your time in education rather than moan*** and then typing BS on here....


have a good day (educational hopefully :bigkiss: )

[Red Shoe Diaries]

The moment you arent always turned on and stop attacking our religon then we might spare you some time to reply to you. We not just think logically but factly (my own word) cuz everything i said is FACTS unless you can prove otherwise

your own information ms. escort

Birthday:
January 1, 1969
Biography:
ALWAYS TURNED ON
Location:
TEL AVIV
Interests:
SEXUAL INTERCOURSE
Occupation:
ESCORT AGENT


P.S. i expected your vague answer because you can't prove otherwise or prove what i posted is not true. Instead of "always turned on" i suggest to you ms. escort to spare some of your time in education rather than moan*** and then typing BS on here....


have a good day (educational hopefully :bigkiss: )
I dont give a damn if its true or not, the point of the matter is that we are having a debate, debates do not include personal insults and attacks!

What i am is non of your business and i suggest strongly that its kept that way!

You wanna insult my religion, my beliefs? fine, but nothing gives you the right to attack me personally! You are worth to 2 fils of time you give to me, accept it!

If you cant stop being judgemental, then shut your mouth and dont push your luck with me!

[Striker]

Why are you blabering around RSD? you are making no sense!!!

You should watch it and not "push YOUR luck"

ahahha... The sentence was suppose to be sent to you and not GGT600!!


Well, you lack in understanding because there was no personal message sent to you!

You started talking about Israel and we gave you facts!

If you don't have anything to shut us up with... I suggest you find your self another hole to dig.

[Gemballa GT 600]

I dont give a damn if its true or not

Thank you very much. Debate is closed and i win you lose. Whats the point of debating if you cant match your words with EVIDENCE ? You attacked our religion which is more of an insult than a personal attack for your own information ms. !

You and your beliefs is worth a rusty fils to me and no you wont get that rusty fils from me for any of the services you offer

P.S. in regards to the immaginary personal attack, i suggest you look at your own information before accusing me of attacking you. The only thing i said was based on what was given to us... if it's non of my business what you are then i suggest you not to advertise yourself as what you really are

Its funny now that you are going all over the place and crying about everthing when you found more than your match in a person called Gemballa GT 600! Dont worry, its has happened alot of times to me in many debates over the interenet with Jewish debaters cuz they cant provide any proof for their claims.. *sigh* you all are so weak cuz you have no evidence and i know it cuz i even took the time to research it myself !!!!!!!!!! :friendz: Oh almost forgot, the only thing you have is the "promised land" and the support of the US which is controlled by the Jews (fact: Jews control 90% of the US economy thus they hold the US from the neck.. thus deciding what the US does and how it does it all in support of the pampered baby 'Isreal'

how?

its the only country thats doesnt condemn the Isreali atrocities in killing innocent Palestians with their apache helicopters and tanks... and vetos any investigations by the UN into these massacres (why if it isnt true?).... and lately it removed a leader by claiming he had WMD and was a threat to the security of the US!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (we all know who its a threat too so they played the cards and made the US remove the threat. Next up is Iran the only remaining threat to Isreal)

facts are facts and i love them :bigkiss:

What a baseless evidenceless claim below. Come on put your evidence on the table and not BS claims.. lets start with this point cuz im waiting for the evidence you have. Your enability to provide evidence means all what you say is baseless :bigkiss:


Its the barabarian arabs that came and slaughtered and drove the jews that lived there since the days of MOSES when they crossed the red sea from Egypt!

[Phoenix]

bro GGT600 ... calm down, plz spare ur time and effort in typing all that. RSD is just messing with our minds. SHE claims to be jewish while SHE is muslim. SHE claims to be in Tel Aviv while SHE is in Bahrain. SHE claims to be a girl while SHE is a guy.


just sit back, relax, and analyze the method of speach SHE is using. maybe it will look familiar to you :)

[Racing Replica]

Back up fellows ..

Mr.Silver Arrow started speaking :cold:

[Racing Replica]

SHE is a guy.

Shemale :blink:


We've got shemales over here :tome:

[Gemballa GT 600]

bro GGT600 ... calm down, plz spare ur time and effort in typing all that. RSD is just messing with out minds. SHE claims to be jewish while SHE is muslim. SHE claims to be in Tel Aviv while SHE is in Bahrain. SHE claims to be a girl while SHE is a guy.


just sit back, relax, and analyze the method of speach SHE is using. maybe it will look familiar to you :)

dont worry im cool

http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/cwm/big/cool.gif

[Des]

Interesting read though...

[Trouble Maker]

Maaaaaaaaaaan!

You guys are just too ****in sentimental! Just give the finger and smoke up! Life is too short to worry about tomorrow! If it ever does come!!!