Ls1 Or 2jz-gte Powered Bmw

[Fox-B]

HI GUYS I'M NEW HERE AND I'M FROM THE UAE MY HOBBIES ARE... JUST SHUT UP AND SAY WHAT U WANT... SORRY ABOUT THAT
WILL IT'S PRETTY SIMPLE WHICH IS THE BEST CONVERSION FOR MY BMW http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/152/bmwbbsrk45yp.th.jpg (http://img129.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bmwbbsrk45yp.jpg)
THE LS1 http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/3991/ls63qr.th.jpg (http://img106.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ls63qr.jpg)
THE 2JZ-GTE http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/1917/2jzgte3fp.th.png (http://img125.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2jzgte3fp.png)
AND I WANT IT FOR DAILY DRIVING.
SO TELL ME YOUR OPINIONS AND WHERE CAN I DO IT IN THE UAE.
THANKS IN ADVANCE.

[SS]

both would be nice..depends on taste really.

[Dippin]

2J got more potential for later plans =)

[Ottoman]

if i was in USA... i'd choose LS1

but in UAE 2J is a better option...

[NOS4EVER]

2J got more potential for later plans =)

for later plans to catch up on an stock LS1.
:farted:

[...SILVIA...]

for later plans to catch up on an stock LS1.
:farted:


Trust me nosy...

A stock 2jz would rip the shiit outta a stock ls1 anyday of the week...
Then with a simple turn of a knob...U raise the boost keeping everything stock still...U get 450+ whp :drooling:

The big block of the JDMs :friday:

[NOS4EVER]

with a push of a button The big block of the JDMs will be tosted lool

[...SILVIA...]

with a push of a button The big block of the JDMs will be tosted lool


Didn't you say stock vs stock :) ...

But sure ...This big block of JDMs can only handle 900 hp on stock bottom end ...So no worries...Push your button and the JDM would do the same too :) The JDM would pull away with ease :drooling:

[Bahraini_Zupra]

2jz 2jz is the motor for me !

[Dippin]

i admit LS1 engines are fast to mod .. also the 2j ..

but from what i see .. 2j is more FAST to mod .. 900hp on stock bottom end :)

[vette4ever]

2JZ all the way ............

[ED]

It all depends on what you want to do and where do u want to go.

and if u want to work on the car ur self, what do u know about more, Turbo or N/A v8.

Both are great motors, I'de be confused if i was in ur place.

[Fox-B]

hi guys
i only need 400-500 bhp just for fun.
how MUCH it's gonna cost me for a full conversion engine+transmision+...etc
where is the best place to do it in the UAE??
i need some facts for booth egines please
do u know any LS1 OR 2JZ POWERED bmw?

[ED]

here are some links to companies that make conversion kits.
it all for e36 to LS1.

http://www.vorshlag.com/E36ProjectBook.asp

http://nash8503.com/index.html



and here is were i got them from.

http://forums.beyond.ca/showthread.php?threadid=58244

let me see if i can get u anything about the 2jz swap, i know i have seen it some where.

cheers.

[ED]

here is a link to DTM Power.com.

its a debate about the 2JZ swap in an E36, read it i think it has some good info.

http://www.dtmpower.net/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=80619

[SAMoloGY]

for those who dont know the 2jz.. here are some things u might find interesting:

-the ls1 is known for its torque, a stock 2jz has more torque than a ls1.. and its not just a small difference, but.. around 70lb!
-a stock 2jz has more hp than the ls1!
-a stock 2jz bottom end handles 900HP, an ls1 with 900hp on stock bottom end will break into a million pieces
-2jz is iron block ls1 is aluminum
-it costs 300bd to get 450whp on a 2jz, it costs 3000bd to get 450whp on an ls1
-a BPU (basic performance upgrade) supra, is a everyday use Z06 killer! (known fact in the US)
-a 2jz costs 400BD, an ls1 costs somwhere around 1000BD!

oh, and btw.. theres a difference between a US spec 2jz and a JDM 2jz.. the US spec is 340HP, bigger turbos, 550 injectors, MAF sensor engine.. while the JDM is 280HP smaller turbos (good for 18psi only) 440 injectors MAP sensor engine.

i think i made ur choice much easier, oh.. and the sound of the turbo is just sexxxx!

[endless_gtr]

i totally agree with Staind Wheels , its better to go with the 2jz, ive seen BMW's like urs and earlier models in Dubai most with 2jz swaps, i know a guy who did a new m3 engine swap on a 1990 model M3, the cas was fine, but the owner chucked the engine swaped it with a 2jz with T88 turbo all done in Performance Group in Dubai +9714-3401804.... go for the 2jz

[Black Beast]

i say go for ls(x) engine.. its more reliable and no turbo lag and can produce more power than the 2jzgte and has more aftermarket parts too.

[VIPER]

2JZ is waaay much better than LS1's that's what i found from american forums
good luck on choosing the engine

[SAMoloGY]

i say go for ls(x) engine.. its more reliable and no turbo lag and can produce more power than the 2jzgte and has more aftermarket parts too.
oh c'mon mahdi, i know u didnt mean that.. its the exact opposite!!!!!

the 2jz has no turbo lag since its sequential turbo, one turbo spools first.. then the 2nd turbo kicks in. the car has low end torque, so u wont feel the lag unless u go with the TTC conversion.

there are more performance parts available for the 2jz,the 2jz makes more horspower and torque more reliably.. period!

i dont think u can compare an ls1 with a 2jz, the ls6 is a better comparison! for the 1000bd ull pay for the ls1.. ill make u a 700hp 2jz!

[Dippin]

2jz is the choice

[Kayman]

i totally agree with Staind Wheels , its better to go with the 2jz, ive seen BMW's like urs and earlier models in Dubai most with 2jz swaps, i know a guy who did a new m3 engine swap on a 1990 model M3, the cas was fine, but the owner chucked the engine swaped it with a 2jz with T88 turbo all done in Performance Group in Dubai +9714-3401804.... go for the 2jz

did anyone do a conv to a 2jz in a new BMW at performance group?

sounds intersting :naughty:

[Ottoman]

2JZ-GTE=400-600bd

LS1 with T56=1,500 bd or more..


can't make ur decision any easier then that..

[Black Beast]

oh c'mon mahdi, i know u didnt mean that.. its the exact opposite!!!!!

the 2jz has no turbo lag since its sequential turbo, one turbo spools first.. then the 2nd turbo kicks in. the car has low end torque, so u wont feel the lag unless u go with the TTC conversion.

there are more performance parts available for the 2jz,the 2jz makes more horspower and torque more reliably.. period!

i dont think u can compare an ls1 with a 2jz, the ls6 is a better comparison! for the 1000bd ull pay for the ls1.. ill make u a 700hp 2jz!
its just a matter of opinion.. my opinion was based on:

1. today a i saw a naturally aspirated trans-am beat a 750cc GSX w/ good driver in a 1 kilo race.. i never saw a supra pass a 750cc GSX.. btw the 750cc is way faster than old 900cc's.. and the Trans-am is naturally aspirated powered by LS1. Imagine if it was FI.. in the 2JZ-GTE you only have one option which is turbo.. in ls1 you have N/A and FI, and NOS. N/A they did high 8's.. imagine turbo and supercharger what they will do?

2. LS1 is not 1000 BD, that is someone who wants to steal ur money.. gimme 800 BD and ill sell my engine which has only 40,000 km and modified camshaft, valve spring, ti retainers and ls6 intake! there was one modified with heads/camshaft etc that was sold for 1300 BD and it made 433whp N/A.. that 500+ to the crank.. my friend bought ls1's for 380 BD stock.. it depends on how well the engine is and mileage and maintained and modified.. the 2jz also starts from 400 BD ranging untill 1000+ BD depending on many things just like the ls1.

3. trust me you dont wanna talk about aftermarket parts.. there are many parts and combos and setups.. but supras only talk about "BPU and BPU+".. if you think BPU is so affordable and fast then take a 03 cobra+ and add pulley and headers.. one qatari guy did it in bahrain and it made 490whp.. NOW THATS SOMETHING I CALL INEXPENSIVE.

4. why are all the guys in bahrain who race ls1 owners? why there no import i see doing something? if supra mods is cheap then why does no one modify them and beat the $hit out of everyone? im sure u have more money than most ls1 owners! where is ur car why is not racing anyone and not passing bikes?

[Dippin]

BOV sound alert LS1 owners :p

[Quarantine]

sorry i couldn't shut up.
I dont like the idea of a conversion of an engine for a car that is not of the same manufacturer. you want an LS1 motor buy any chevy car and drop that motor in there and same goes with the Toyota. And you can always build your Beemer motor.

Its like having the body of a Ferrari, and when you open the hood the engine says Nissan rb26

[SAMoloGY]

because.. camaro's are like flies here in bahrain.. they are cheap and for the average bahraini, a camaro is the only fast car he can afford. a 93 supra sells for 7000 minimum!

another thing is that.. in bahrain we have maybe 10 or 15 TT supra's not more! we have over 100 camaro's, so.. u do the math! the import scenece isnt that big here in bahrain.. but, its growing.. look at the UAE the camaro is not considered a car! they make fun of bahraini's because we go buy camaro's from them because they are so cheap.. its GTR's and Supras that are dominating the scene and the dragstrip!

[Black Beast]

because.. camaro's are like flies here in bahrain.. they are cheap and for the average bahraini, a camaro is the only fast car he can afford. a 93 supra sells for 7000 minimum!

another thing is that.. in bahrain we have maybe 10 or 15 TT supra's not more! we have over 100 camaro's, so.. u do the math! the import scenece isnt that big here in bahrain.. but, its growing.. look at the UAE the camaro is not considered a car! they make fun of bahraini's because we go buy camaro's from them because they are so cheap.. its GTR's and Supras that are dominating the scene and the dragstrip!
there are over a 100 camaros but most of them are lt1's and older versions.. ls1's are only a few camaros that and they ALL race because they have self-confidence in there car.

about them making fun at us.. the people who make fun are narrow minded not us. I accept the fact that the 2jz is great engine.. however dont ask U.A.E guys about american cars.. they have money they modify JEEPS to race and think they are better than camaros :lol:

why do u say U.A.E? why dont u look at mustangs in q8.. they are the fastest in q8 and there is one in the 8's FYI.. does that mean mustangs are the best cars and we should buy them?

[endless_gtr]

did anyone do a conv to a 2jz in a new BMW at performance group?

sounds intersting :naughty:

ya Khalid Bin Hather the owner of Performance Group

[Kayman]

on what car was the conversion?

and which one is khalid...

I bough and fitted my exhaust from there, had a chat with this guy I forgot his name...

[endless_gtr]

on what car was the conversion?

and which one is khalid...

I bough and fitted my exhaust from there, had a chat with this guy I forgot his name...

Khalid is the owner of Performance Group... he did the conversion on a old M3

[Kayman]

how about a custom turbo or a SC for my 330?

do they do that?

anyone I can contact? phone number? thanks.

[SAMoloGY]

there are over a 100 camaros but most of them are lt1's and older versions.. ls1's are only a few camaros that and they ALL race because they have self-confidence in there car.

about them making fun at us.. the people who make fun are narrow minded not us. I accept the fact that the 2jz is great engine.. however dont ask U.A.E guys about american cars.. they have money they modify JEEPS to race and think they are better than camaros :lol:

why do u say U.A.E? why dont u look at mustangs in q8.. they are the fastest in q8 and there is one in the 8's FYI.. does that mean mustangs are the best cars and we should buy them?
sorry buddy, but.. u cannot convince me, i know that the 2jz is a much better engine that the ls1.. u say u can get an ls1 into the 8's naturally aspirated, gimme the cost! those are things that ls1 owners hear and dream of and think they can do, but not here in bahrain! ur better off buying a ready made engine in the US.. i know that u have put lots of time and money and thought into ur car.. but, i always tell silver arrow this.. what if u put all that money on a supra or a skyline? ull easily be around 700-800 HP! and have cash left to fix up the looks of the car! and yes, u can drive it daily!.. thats why u have a wastegate and a boost controller, so u can lower the boost for daily driving.. and raise it when u want to race!

[ED]

why do ppl make 500hp plus sound like an easy thing?

Sorry all, but all what ur saying is BS.


the only ppl on this forum with cars ubove 500hp are BRN996TT and GGT600,you can ask them how much did it cost them to do so.
and yeah Im talking about BRN's Supra/996 adn inshallah the new 997 beast.

ooh yeah, and our own admin Mr.Tag the owner of Bahrain Dyno and a guy who does this for a living had a 600+ Hp Camaro, he can tell us how much he spent.

Camaro69LS1 (the almighty twins) can tell you how much would it cost too, they are the builders of 3 cars that rored and scramed in our strip.

in simple english, 500+hp is no joke and needs big bucks. Cut the crap Yall.

[SAMoloGY]

not on a supra :)

[SAMoloGY]

http://www.boostlogic.com/parts/supra/info_supra_TurboKit61.html

this kit costs around 3500$.. now imagine what u can do if u add 300bd and get a T88 wich is a 1000+ HP turbo! weve heard of alot of 700+ hp supras in the UAE.. but, have we ever hard of a 700+ hp ls1 here in the gulf? other than the saudi which is with nos, and a 2 page mod list!!

[Bahraini_Zupra]

Yes
you can go 500 whp on stock twins supra but u gotta push it with tunning and stuff . and its much easier to go 550 whp on tiny small T61-T57 turbo BUDGET KIT ) around 1700 USD :) stock injectors , stock cams stock maf and stock motor !
and heres a very old time slip of what a stock twins is capable of ! plus they are running high 10's and low 11's right now !


TT_6SPD_95

R/T = .890
60' = 1.647
330' = 4.725
1/8 = 7.252
MPH = 97.95
1000' = 9.412
1/4 = 11.228
MPH = 126.20

Mods include:

Air Filter
Downpipe
Tanabe Racing Medallion
Greddy FMIC
HKS Cam Gear (Exhaust Side)
RPS Stage 3 Clutch
AFC Tuned
VPC Tuned
ET Streets 26x11.5

[Black Beast]

sorry buddy, but.. u cannot convince me, i know that the 2jz is a much better engine that the ls1.. u say u can get an ls1 into the 8's naturally aspirated, gimme the cost! those are things that ls1 owners hear and dream of and think they can do, but not here in bahrain! ur better off buying a ready made engine in the US.. i know that u have put lots of time and money and thought into ur car.. but, i always tell silver arrow this.. what if u put all that money on a supra or a skyline? ull easily be around 700-800 HP! and have cash left to fix up the looks of the car! and yes, u can drive it daily!.. thats why u have a wastegate and a boost controller, so u can lower the boost for daily driving.. and raise it when u want to race!
silver arrow has a lumina and doesnt know how to spend his money on the car.. im talking about a camaro/trans-am/vette and a guy who knows how to spend his money... its two different situations! its the car that matters too.. luminas are crap to mod..

There is a guy i know who has a 2jz-gte supra and he spent 10,000 BD and a stock lumina can pass him... because of lack of knowledge about modifiying like SA!

about daily driving.. they wont be as reliable as ls1's.. shomelli goes almost every night to the gahwa with his car which is a daily driver ( auto tranny, 2 seats, stereo, A/C, power steering) and does 11.2 when he takes the power steering and a/c belt off and he never had one problem with it (mashalla).. but mr. bahrain_zupra gets complaints from foreigners with many errors in there car and they dont make half the power shomelli makes! whenever i see him with different supras and ask him to race he is like "no the car has problems". last time i told him to race a caprice which weighs much more than a supra.. and the caprice had full exhaust and a camshaft and tuned by TAG.. and im sure that car will whip any of ur supras easily!

if 2jz-gte are so good why are they not making them anymore? ls1 are still produced on MANY cars. Why doesnt rx-7 owners put 2jzgte instead of ls1.. there are many imports swapping ls1! why not take 2jzgte? if 2jzgte has lots of torque then why dont they put them in trucks like some trucks have ls1's under the hood!

ill make a deal with u.. bring me ANY 2jzgte on ANY car in bahrain ANYTIME this week and i will bring you an N/A LS1 to race and well see who will pass and share the mods and see who spent more then you will understand.

you should experience and not only read.. i raced many races in my life and i know which cars are fast and which cars are slow.. 2jzgte is fast for japanese but not for american muscle.

[Black Beast]

the cost of N/A Ls1 to get into the 8's is the same cost of an N/A supra to get to the 10's (if it reaches to the 10's)

[Black Beast]

i dont think u can compare an ls1 with a 2jz, the ls6 is a better comparison! for the 1000bd ull pay for the ls1.. ill make u a 700hp 2jz! im sure u have 1000bd.. why dont u have 700 HP supra :lol:

ls1 and ls6 are same engine exept different heads/camshaft

[Black Beast]

http://www.boostlogic.com/parts/supra/info_supra_TurboKit61.html

this kit costs around 3500$.. now imagine what u can do if u add 300bd and get a T88 wich is a 1000+ HP turbo! weve heard of alot of 700+ hp supras in the UAE.. but, have we ever hard of a 700+ hp ls1 here in the gulf? other than the saudi which is with nos, and a 2 page mod list!!
in bahrain if you mean crank HP, silver bullet w/o NOS i think has probably 700 HP to the crank and maybe 550whp? the trans-am made 500whp with no NOS.. these are all N/A..

if you want FI.. then the blue camaro did almost 1000whp and 940rwtq..

[Ls-1 Master]

http://www.boostlogic.com/parts/supra/info_supra_TurboKit61.html

this kit costs around 3500$.. now imagine what u can do if u add 300bd and get a T88 wich is a 1000+ HP turbo! weve heard of alot of 700+ hp supras in the UAE.. but, have we ever hard of a 700+ hp ls1 here in the gulf? other than the saudi which is with nos, and a 2 page mod list!!

i like the 2jz it have a good stock batem. but.

you cant get to 700+ rwhp 300bd i am shur. you need moor than 4000bd.

and if you can make 2jz 700rwhp lase than that you can call my fraind spalsh [a mamber here] he have 86 supra with 2jz.

every one have tt supra have 300bd. i never see a supra here in bahrain moor than 700rwhp.

bay the way a race supras from uea never lost to one.

[Ls-1 Master]

Do Any One See Ls1 Turbo And Hp It Will Have ????

[VIPER]

Do Any One See Ls1 Turbo And Hp It Will Have ????
I think it would be very expensive:blink:

[NOS4EVER]

http://www.gmrspeed.com/

the price will be $7499.99.
Twin Turbo stage 1 kit. We made 723rwhp and 740rwt on 93 ocatne at 17lbs of boost.

[...SILVIA...]

GT-R and supra's are known to produce around 450-500 hp on stock engines all around the world...

Mods would be mild bolt-ons :

-exhaust
-aftermarket air filter
-boost controller ...
-intercooler


500 hp all day long :)

[VIPER]

http://www.gmrspeed.com/

the price will be $7499.99.
Twin Turbo stage 1 kit. We made 723rwhp and 740rwt on 93 ocatne at 17lbs of boost.
if that was the price of the setup then why no one would twin up his V8 in bahrain ??

[ED]

GT-R and supra's are known to produce around 450-500 hp on stock engines all around the world...

Mods would be mild bolt-ons :

-exhaust
-aftermarket air filter
-boost controller ...
-intercooler


500 hp all day long :)


Does that mean ur car is 500+ hp?

coz u have all these mods and more????

[SAMoloGY]

rear what i wrote once again buddy, i said , add a t88 to that turbo kit! not just a T88!!, u cant put a t88 on the stock manifold, exhaust and wastegate!

mahdi, bahraini supra knows alot about supras, that why ppl from out of the country give their cars to him, for him to fix and mod.. so, whenever u see him in a supra, that means its still under construction or being fixed, that doesnt mean that all supras are like this, unfourtunatly.. in bahrain we have a small number of 2jz supra's and a huge number of ls1's! yes, it does cost 300bd to get 450whp on a supra.. and u know what, ill proove it to u once im done with my car.. im not willing to take my car over that.. BPU+ is my goal, im not going single turbo.. i dont need that power.. i love the stock twins of the supra!

[SAMoloGY]

Does that mean ur car is 500+ hp?

coz u have all these mods and more????
although he doesnt admit it, im sure his car is somewhere in that region 400-500whp.. me, ottoman and silver arrow have repeatedly told him that well pay for his dyno run just to convince him that his car is no longer STOCK!

[Black Beast]

rear what i wrote once again buddy, i said , add a t88 to that turbo kit! not just a T88!!, u cant put a t88 on the stock manifold, exhaust and wastegate!

mahdi, bahraini supra knows alot about supras, that why ppl from out of the country give their cars to him, for him to fix and mod.. so, whenever u see him in a supra, that means its still under construction or being fixed, that doesnt mean that all supras are like this, unfourtunatly.. in bahrain we have a small number of 2jz supra's and a huge number of ls1's! yes, it does cost 300bd to get 450whp on a supra.. and u know what, ill proove it to u once im done with my car.. im not willing to take my car over that.. BPU+ is my goal, im not going single turbo.. i dont need that power.. i love the stock twins of the supra!
whenever ur car is ready tell me.

[SAMoloGY]

there are other supras ready..

anyways.. ill let u know buddy!

[...SILVIA...]

whenever ur car is ready tell me.


BB,

No need to race supras... !

I'll race you this weekend 4 sure...My silvia is back on the road and stronger than ever ... !

If you beat it, you qualify to race the GT-R which would also be ready by wed-thursday ...:)

let's have some fun this weekend while the weather is still cold and great .. c ya on the weekend .. !

[Black Beast]

BB,

No need to race supras... !

I'll race you this weekend 4 sure...My silvia is back on the road and stronger than ever ... !

If you beat it, you qualify to race the GT-R which would also be ready by wed-thursday ...:)

let's have some fun this weekend while the weather is still cold and great .. c ya on the weekend .. !
im ready anytime u are.. and my friends also would like to race.. i have camaro/vettes/caprice/luminas who would like to race too

[Ls-1 Master]

I WANT TO SEE THIS RACE .....


DONT FORGET TO TELL WHENE..:haha:

[NOS4EVER]

if that was the price of the setup then why no one would twin up his V8 in bahrain ??


This is a new product I think you will se it soon :electric:

[Dippin]

Kareem 330 will pass ur supraz .. GTRz .. LS1's .. :p

[Phoenix]

silver arrow has a lumina and doesnt know how to spend his money on the car.. im talking about a camaro/trans-am/vette and a guy who knows how to spend his money... its two different situations! its the car that matters too.. luminas are crap to mod..

There is a guy i know who has a 2jz-gte supra and he spent 10,000 BD and a stock lumina can pass him... because of lack of knowledge about modifiying like SA!

listen up mahdi, the way i spend my money is non of anyones business. lack of knowledge or not ... im not hurting u, am i?

just dont put ur nose in something that is not ur concern!


u have anything to teach me go ahead .... last time i checked u didnt even know what a TB-bypass is!!


so spare me the KNOWLEGDE Mr.!

[Black Beast]

listen up mahdi, the way i spend my money is non of anyones business. lack of knowledge or not ... im not hurting u, am i?

just dont put ur nose in something that is not ur concern!


u have anything to teach me go ahead .... last time i checked u didnt even know what a TB-bypass is!!


so spare me the KNOWLEGDE Mr.!
I know what TB-bypass is, maybe u misunderstood :)

and there is nothing in saying u spent a lot to get only 370whp.. is there?

[DSR]

i wanna go see too

[Thug Life]

mahdi i want to see the race

PM me with ur number or when the race will be