3aza in Manama!

[designo]

OK so here's the deal!

I'm not much of an 3aza going kind of person. But I do from time to time go to pay my respects and meet people I haven't seen in a long time!

So I went to manama last night and good enough, I met alot of people, and watched the different 3azas passing by, it was very nice to see that walla!

Everyone in one voice, one hand paying their respects to the prophet's grand children. It was amazingly organized, there were big screens everywhere so people don't miss anything, there was plenty of food and drinks to go around, alot of religious educational material being distributed here and there.

The 3azas were well organised, much better than a few years ago, everyone worked well with the cops and security people, it was great!

Then, I saw a group of 3aza guys dressed all in black, and white with uniforms and logos. They were so well organised and they were parading in one excellent pattern. I have never seen these guys before.

They were 3ajam and the guy who was reciting the 3aza had a good voice, and was very clear and precise. The rest were all in orderely fashion.

Now here's the strange part, they had drums and flutes and trumpets. It was so new to me. I heard that the only place they do it this way was in Iraq and Lebanon.

As we were watching them finish the 3aza in front of their maatam, a group of people from the هيئة came and tried to stop it for some reason, I dont know why, but I heard that this kind of 3aza was banned, I don't know.

One thing led to another and a big fight broke out and the next you know, there is a stampede of people trying to get away.

I never did understand why different groups cannot sit together and agree on different things and come up with a schedule and stuff and a consesus.

I was very disappointed, and it discouraged me from going there again mainly because this is not what muharram is all about.

Anyways, I was just wondering if anyone knew what the real story was behind these guys and shed some light on this. It would be interesting to know and keep up to date!

Thanks guys!

[ADM]

Yea, some people are against the musical orchestra procession. Its been done for many years here, i remember them when i was a kid. They are truely wonderful. Bin Saloom was absolutely beautiful, the words, the beat, Saleh Al-Derazi really excelled lastnight, and im looking forward to seeing Shaikh Hussain Al-Akraf's performance, and i trust he will excell as he always does.

Mashalla, the atmostphere is priceless, seeing a river of 3azaa flowing through the streets at 3am, beating at their full.

Allah e3oodna jamee3an inshalla :)

[A.Z]

Attack and I were there, everyone has a different story to tell.
but most people were saying what you have said.

[Mr Aryan]

for the first time in my life i'll be going to muharraq 3aza tonight....
it could be better than Manama....

[Racing Replica]

There are 4 kinds of people that go to Manama:

1- The ones who only go to listen to the mulla
2- Who 3azee
3- For the girls
4- Who create fights

[ADM]

Actually, there are more. There are ones who go only to meet up with friends. There are some who only go for the food. There are some who go to listen to the mulla & 3azaa.

I myself dont listen to the mulla there, or here, because during the time when the mulla is giving the lecture, i am busy working, but i do attend the 3azaa.

Aryan, i dont think it could be half as good as Manama, although i have never been to a 3azaa is Muharraq :)

[-=<FOXXX>=-]

one of the oldest matams in Bahrain is the Karimi matam in Muharraq so yeah their 3aza is jus as good but NOT bigger than Manama

[4ced]

its ridiculous el 9ara7a. thats the reason arabs can never move forward; theyre always fighting with each other over the stupidest things. dude, seriously, if you dont like the drums and stuff, dont go watch them.

about the flutes and stuff, i dont think ive heard them before. but i remember drums when i was a kid going to manama.

[Mr Aryan]

Actually, there are more. There are ones who go only to meet up with friends. There are some who only go for the food. There are some who go to listen to the mulla & 3azaa.

I myself dont listen to the mulla there, or here, because during the time when the mulla is giving the lecture, i am busy working, but i do attend the 3azaa.

Aryan, i dont think it could be half as good as Manama, although i have never been to a 3azaa is Muharraq :)
well i go to Manama to meet old friends.... i will still go tonight for 2 hours which i usually don't stay more, then i'm going to muharraq to meet some of my muharraq buddies....and also see their 3azaa and listen...
i know a guy who have been asked to go to Doha tonight to work/tune a car for around 1500BD, but he refused just to stay with his matam and ye3azee...

[RH9]

Do we even have a pro tuner like that here ? :duh: ^^^

[Mr Aryan]

Do we even have a pro tuner like that here ? :duh: ^^^
could be tune, or could be service!!

just not to go off topic....

visited Manama,
it was mostly like fashion show with some funny heir styles! ages up to 20's think they are in seef mall!! :nono2:
crowded for nothing, people just talk and eat (like me, just talk with friends :grin: ), i got a reason!! didn't know where to stand to see all matams pass... should change your place every while....
speakers were bad.....
and ohhhhh... some places were like :farted:

visited Muharraq,
nothing was funny there... you can just pick a place and stand to see all their matams pass (they got something like 3 or 4)...
change your place to somehwre else, you see them pass again...
it was cool with a very cool sound systems... sounds were clear, and can hear every word they say....

[ADM]

Mashalla, it was a great night. Al 7amd lelah :)

Im having a little break, and getting myself ready for my last day. Now, let me eat my Hardees meal which i baught lastnight, but never ate because i didnt have energy to do so yesterday lol.

[BikeMaster]

OK so here's the deal!

I'm not much of an 3aza going kind of person. But I do from time to time go to pay my respects and meet people I haven't seen in a long time!

So I went to manama last night and good enough, I met alot of people, and watched the different 3azas passing by, it was very nice to see that walla!

Everyone in one voice, one hand paying their respects to the prophet's grand children. It was amazingly organized, there were big screens everywhere so people don't miss anything, there was plenty of food and drinks to go around, alot of religious educational material being distributed here and there.

The 3azas were well organised, much better than a few years ago, everyone worked well with the cops and security people, it was great!

Then, I saw a group of 3aza guys dressed all in black, and white with uniforms and logos. They were so well organised and they were parading in one excellent pattern. I have never seen these guys before.

They were 3ajam and the guy who was reciting the 3aza had a good voice, and was very clear and precise. The rest were all in orderely fashion.

Now here's the strange part, they had drums and flutes and trumpets. It was so new to me. I heard that the only place they do it this way was in Iraq and Lebanon.

As we were watching them finish the 3aza in front of their maatam, a group of people from the هيئة came and tried to stop it for some reason, I dont know why, but I heard that this kind of 3aza was banned, I don't know.

One thing led to another and a big fight broke out and the next you know, there is a stampede of people trying to get away.

I never did understand why different groups cannot sit together and agree on different things and come up with a schedule and stuff and a consesus.

I was very disappointed, and it discouraged me from going there again mainly because this is not what muharram is all about.

Anyways, I was just wondering if anyone knew what the real story was behind these guys and shed some light on this. It would be interesting to know and keep up to date!

Thanks guys!

Actually there were THREE fights in manama that nite, and it all started because women were flirting too much and the guy from the Haaya tried to stop them and ppl got involved.
The fight you saw coz three women would not stop flirting with the music aza guyz when he spoke to them they shouted, the aza music jumped on the haaya guy, his mates come and BANG!
I wasnt there but my cousin was, and he told me the story.
Another simliar story happened on Gold souk road, execpt these women where lifting thier skirts and when he shouted at them they called some guyz who came and Bang!!

[VQ35HR]

[QUOTE=4ced] thats the reason arabs can never move forward;[QUOTE]

wrong word if you are talking about what happen

btw - it was not about the idea of musical instruments

the situation is out of control in manama for the " hayaa " and that is really the main couse for what happen

[ADM]

During such a big event, everyone wants to prove he is a tough guy. Allah esame7hum. Instead of joining into the 3azaa, all they do is fight and make noise.

One thing that really annoys me, and pisses me off really bad, is when people walk through the 3azaa, especially when we are on full beat. They disturb the 3azaa, its disrespectful towards the mawkeb, and they push you around.

There was something wrong with the wiring of the speakers today, and it really put down the 3azaa. But al 7amd lelah, inshalla next year we join our dear brothers and sisters in marking this trajic event.

Some people come wearing their best, and doing the best hair do's, for what? who are you going to impress? the imam? and you can smell the perfume for a distance too.

The girls flirting with the guys who are in the 3azaa, is also disrespectful to the 3azaa. People who dont go with a pure intention of serving, and contributing to marking this trajic event, shouldnt bother going and wasting their time. Id love to have more space on the street, so that more of us can group up during the 3azaa.

[Mr Aryan]

Id love to have more space on the street, so that more of us can group up during the 3azaa.
most old houses should be removed from there, just keep the matams, renew them them maybe.... then some wide roads with some nice parking...
i know this is just a dream, but that would be nice...

[4ced]

[QUOTE=4ced] thats the reason arabs can never move forward;[QUOTE]

wrong word if you are talking about what happen

btw - it was not about the idea of musical instruments

the situation is out of control in manama for the " hayaa " and that is really the main couse for what happen

i dont know what you mean, can you elaborate?

anyway im not talking about this specific situation. it just represents how arabs are in general. instead of uniting and focusing on bigger issues, they argue with each other and fight over the smaller ones

[ADM]

most old houses should be removed from there, just keep the matams, renew them them maybe.... then some wide roads with some nice parking...
i know this is just a dream, but that would be nice...
That would be a bit akward. I dont want the place to change, i love it the way it is. Mashalla, the 7aidar was beautiful. Allah e3oodna inshalla jamee3an for next year :)

[-=<FOXXX>=-]

i for one am totally against the haidar bcoz it is unnecessary and brutal

[Crazy Samurai]

i for one am totally against the haidar bcoz it is unnecessary and brutal

X2 :stupid:

I saw that musical group in Iran for the first time years ago & they know what they do ... they're just amazing

& this year manama looks like a fashion show I really hate muharram now cuz of that

on the other hand muharraq 3zaa is the best , no girls or mu'3zal , no fashion show , no prob.& fights
u see 3azaa in the best way it could

next year hope to see the pure spirit for this event

allah y3oodna weyakum kel 3am

[ADM]

http://www.binsalloom.com/1427/media/1428/azaindex.htm

Listen to Saleh Al Derazi, i just wish we could re-do the lailat tase3 once again :( but for 9 hours straight :( 3 hours wasnt enough for me :(

Inshalla next year ya rab.

[4ced]

i dont like the whole idea of 7aydar. thats really pushing the border.

[SAMoloGY]

ADM.. i couldnt possible tell you how much i hate every single person who thinks of 7aidar as a good thing!

they are all a disgrace to imam hussain.. i have a feeling he is sad up in heaven looking at these people saying? are those my followers? why cant i have normal human beings as followers? why do these animals insist on doing this?

pesonally.. i just wish imam ali cuts theyre heads off with thulfiqaar!

oh, and dont take it on the offensive side, i just witnessed 7aidar this morning in muharraq.. i didnt want to, but i was like trapped in the zaraneeg hehe, animals il 9ara7a.. ppl with no brain, no irada, no sense of right and wrong, and not even one bit of knowledge.. most are gard and metally retarded ba3ad. oh and i saw something new ba3ad today, my friends tell me its been brought back from the 60's.. its like a group of ropes that have claws.. HUGE claws.. like 9 inch claws.. and they guys where beating themselves senslesly with it non stop.. and pieces of the flesh where flying in the air!

all i have to say is.. il imam il hussain baree2 minkom, allah yahdeehom ila il 6areeq il mustaqeem! its seriously a very ugly scene, and any non muslim who sees this will think of islam as a religion of butality, killing, blood and murder!

[-=<FOXXX>=-]

most of the ppl who are involved in 7aidar are the derelicts of society and the hopeless so this act is a reflection of their lowliness

[chevy_sS]

i'm against haidar also ....

bcz there are other wayz which can ppl consume this blood in such good things like "tabro3 bil dam " for me i prefare to give my blood to an orginized establishment and i think that imam will b happy with this thing,,,coz it's civilizied thing more than 7aidar ....


that's my opnion and every1 got brain and can think :worship:

[VQ35HR]

It's weird how some people don't know 10 from 100 men and still can tell alot about all of them !!!!

I participate in hayder and when I read that you wish that we get killed ... it's just sad to know that peaple think like that ... like " takferyen "

I'm not interested in convincing anybody about hayder , keep your opinion
why would I even discuss anything when you already consedering your opinion = imam opinion !!!

[A.Z]

i know a guy who have been asked to go to Doha tonight to work/tune a car for around 1500BD, but he refused just to stay with his matam and ye3azee...
قوية شوي
In the states where people are way better than bahrainis in building and tuning they dont charge such an amount :duh:

[designo]

It's weird how some people don't know 10 from 100 men and still can tell alot about all of them !!!!

I participate in hayder and when I read that you wish that we get killed ... it's just sad to know that peaple think like that ... like " takferyen "

I'm not interested in convincing anybody about hayder , keep your opinion
why would I even discuss anything when you already consedering your opinion = imam opinion !!!
If you don't beleive in public opinion, then why are you posting here and responding to other members posts?

[designo]

Actually guys, I was right there when the fight broke out, I was right next to one guy who got punched. Apparently, I could hear one of the hay'aa people say ( as he pushed his way towards the drumbeaters ).. "la la la... moo 3adel chideee"..

Apparently, I could hear someone saying that Shaikh Sistani had banned it or something like that.. i was like WTF???

Ya3nee you mean to tell me that this was known and still people persisted? Or whetehr Shaikh Sistani realised in teh last minute that it shouldnt happen, cause i know alot alot of people who are serious about these things, and there was no such fatwa up to the 8th day of mu7arram!!!

I dont understand why people cannot just leave each other alone? Ya'7ee if its not right, you dont beleive in it, fine, leave it for when it is done and then talk and discus it with the organisers!!!

Ya3nee was it necessary to come on the spot, make a scene, push and beat your way in to stop it, and then risk the lives and safety of thousands of women and little children that were there?????

[RH9]

That would be a bit akward. I dont want the place to change, i love it the way it is. Mashalla, the 7aidar was beautiful. Allah e3oodna inshalla jamee3an for next year :)

7aidar was beautiful :duh:


U mean uncivilized, uneducated people beating themselves ... very beautiful

[chevy_sS]

7aidar was beautiful :duh:


U mean uncivilized, uneducated people beating themselves ... very beautiful


education isn't everything ....


some uneducated ppl use their brain more than educated ...

[designo]

education isn't everything ....


some uneducated ppl use their brain more than educated ...

Yes they do, but they use it in an un-educated way for un-civilized purposes! Every idiot can use his/her brain, but the end results prove ignorance or not!

[SAMoloGY]

It's weird how some people don't know 10 from 100 men and still can tell alot about all of them !!!!

I participate in hayder and when I read that you wish that we get killed ... it's just sad to know that peaple think like that ... like " takferyen "

I'm not interested in convincing anybody about hayder , keep your opinion
why would I even discuss anything when you already consedering your opinion = imam opinion !!!
im not a takfeery, but let me tell u this.. when i saw 7aidar in front of me.. i knew why takferyeen think the way they do. btw, my dad is a Shifi3i Sunni, and my mom is a Sistani Shiite (i take my father's side ofcourse)

i should have researched before i went to see the 7aidar, we have a fatwa that says its 7aram to even look at them! and my mom thinks its 7aram as well and insisted that i dont go, so im not bringing up any opinions and inforcing them on you, im just sharing what i think.. i have great love for the imam and cry at ashoora when i hear the story of sayed shabab il jana al imam Hussain. and when i learn more and more about him, i knew that he was a man of peace, a wise man, one that should have led us but instead got betrayed by his own men and left alone with 72 companions. trust me bro, i know more about imam hussain than ull ever know, ive read books and books about him and been going to matams since i was 6 just to hear his story year after year. no where in his life did he show an act of brutality, bloodshed, or did anything wrong (ofcourse us sunni's dont believe in 3i9ma, only the prophit SAW was ma39oom) but imam hussain was a great example of it! he is one to learn from rather than scare the people away from with your stupid 7aidar.. go preach somewhere else, im sure were all educated enough here to use a computer.. so, im sure we can clearly see how wrong 7aidar is. its for drug addicts, social rejects, and people with no self esteem that think theyre gonna get society to respect them if they do it!

seriously, no offense dude.. but this is my point of view!

[designo]

Aywa aywa SW!

Whip that sensitive radical muslim in da butt, whip him!

[ADM]

7aidar was beautiful :duh:


U mean uncivilized, uneducated people beating themselves ... very beautiful
So, beating ur chest is also beating urself, does that make you uncivilised and uneducated?

We all have the right to practice our religion, the way we personally see fit. No one forces anyone to do anything. Every person, who drops a tear, lays his hand on his chest, hits his shoulders with 1kg of steel chain, does it with his own will.

And about the uncivilized and uneducated part, i guess, when you see a marje3 also walking in the front of the 3azaa, and beating his chest, proves that he is uncivilized?

Think twice next time before you blabber out some rubbish like that.

[ADM]

im not a takfeery, but let me tell u this.. when i saw 7aidar in front of me.. i knew why takferyeen think the way they do. btw, my dad is a Shifi3i Sunni, and my mom is a Sistani Shiite (i take my father's side ofcourse)

i should have researched before i went to see the 7aidar, we have a fatwa that says its 7aram to even look at them! and my mom thinks its 7aram as well and insisted that i dont go, so im not bringing up any opinions and inforcing them on you, im just sharing what i think.. i have great love for the imam and cry at ashoora when i hear the story of sayed shabab il jana al imam Hussain. and when i learn more and more about him, i knew that he was a man of peace, a wise man, one that should have led us but instead got betrayed by his own men and left alone with 72 companions. trust me bro, i know more about imam hussain than ull ever know, ive read books and books about him and been going to matams since i was 6 just to hear his story year after year. no where in his life did he show an act of brutality, bloodshed, or did anything wrong (ofcourse us sunni's dont believe in 3i9ma, only the prophit SAW was ma39oom) but imam hussain was a great example of it! he is one to learn from rather than scare the people away from with your stupid 7aidar.. go preach somewhere else, im sure were all educated enough here to use a computer.. so, im sure we can clearly see how wrong 7aidar is. its for drug addicts, social rejects, and people with no self esteem that think theyre gonna get society to respect them if they do it!

seriously, no offense dude.. but this is my point of view!
What about the people who do it, and are not drug addicts? What about those, who do it, as their own personal way of expressing their grief? Just because you dont believe in something, doesnt make it wrong for everyone else. When did you become God to judge all the people who participate, or walk with them? How could you call us all drug addicts? social rejects? Have you researched our personal lives one by one? Have you seen any of them take drugs infront of you to call them drug addicts? ina ba3d al'9an ethem. 9ada8 allah al 3a'9eem.

We all have the freedom to practice what we personally believe in is right.

If what we are doing is wrong, then may allah forgive us or punish us for it, whichever he see's is right :)

The only reason people look down on it today, is because the "modern world" rejects it. I agree, some people do cross the limit, and i believe that is wrong. Today, the 7aidar is rejected, tomorrow the 3azaa, and so on.

[Mr Aryan]

قوية شوي
In the states where people are way better than bahrainis in building and tuning they dont charge such an amount :duh:
if you have a race on the weekend, and no one is there to work for you, you would pay anything to just get anyone work in your car..
i wouldn't say such a thing if i was not sure about it...
i know how people charge in the states, and know how people charge in Bahrain.

[-=<FOXXX>=-]

What about the people who do it, and are not drug addicts? What about those, who do it, as their own personal way of expressing their grief? Just because you dont believe in something, doesnt make it wrong for everyone else. When did you become God to judge all the people who participate, or walk with them? How could you call us all drug addicts? social rejects? Have you researched our personal lives one by one? Have you seen any of them take drugs infront of you to call them drug addicts? ina ba3d al'9an ethem. 9ada8 allah al 3a'9eem.

We all have the freedom to practice what we personally believe in is right.

If what we are doing is wrong, then may allah forgive us or punish us for it, whichever he see's is right :)

The only reason people look down on it today, is because the "modern world" rejects it. I agree, some people do cross the limit, and i believe that is wrong. Today, the 7aidar is rejected, tomorrow the 3azaa, and so on.

you really don't get it do you??

There is NO WAY you can justify the act of 7aidar as a closeness to imam hussain. The imam hussain 3laih elsalaam was a man of peace and was fighting for the right to carry the name of his grandfather. Do you think he would like seeing worshipers slay their heads into half and mourning with their blood? Come on use your common sense.

Besides maybe you are not paying attention to the image it reflects on others. If selfishness is your game then fine keep it to yourself but don't go out provoking your selfish point of view to others claiming it to be the right way.

and about the freedom to practice whatever you want, what makes you think that practicing 7aidar gives you the right to do whatever you want? You see it's people who think like you who give the country an overall bad image.

you're living in the 21st century, GET WITH THE TIMES

[ADM]

you really don't get it do you??

There is NO WAY you can justify the act of 7aidar as a closeness to imam hussain. The imam hussain 3laih elsalaam was a man of peace and was fighting for the right to carry the name of his grandfather. Do you think he would like seeing worshipers slay their heads into half and mourning with their blood? Come on use your common sense.

Besides maybe you are not paying attention to the image it reflects on others. If selfishness is your game then fine keep it to yourself but don't go out provoking your selfish point of view to others claiming it to be the right way.

and about the freedom to practice whatever you want, what makes you think that practicing 7aidar gives you the right to do whatever you want? You see it's people who think like you who give the country an overall bad image.

you're living in the 21st century, GET WITH THE TIMES
There you go, u just said it. Because the outside world looks down on it, so do you, and you believe its wrong. If you believe its wrong, then fine, upto you. I do have the freedom to practice whatever i want, otherwise, we wouldnt be able to have 7aidar, would we? If it was up to many, even matams wouldnt exist!!

Im not being selfish. I hurt no one when i participate. I dont care about the image of the country. I am living my life for myself, not for my country. Are you insecure? Why are you so worried about the image it reflects on you? Mr.Moden and civilised?

I didnt say its the right way, maybe it isnt, or maybe it is, how do you know that for a fact? If you believe its wrong, then fine, you opinion. Dont go and watch, dont participate, and dont go around telling others it wrong and preaching your personal opinions.

Live your life the way you want to live it, and let others live it the way they want to live it.

[SAMoloGY]

first of all.. yes i know alot of drug addicts that do it and ive seen them do it as well!

second of all.. most of ur maraje3 say its 7aram except for one.. shirazi, which btw also says sunni's are kafir.. has he looked inside our hearts? has he sat down with each and everyone one of us to call us kafir?? i guess not! so if he has the right to stereotype.. why cant i?? is he better than me? if so.. why? what makes him a better man? calling 95% of muslims kafir?

i have been called kafir many times by shirazi shiite's but NEVER did i say anything back.. all i say is.. allah yahdeek, or allah isam7ek, dude.. seriously.. to each his own point of view.. and then when i saw the same people hitting their heads with a sword, it all made sense!! i see them as social rejects u see them as leaders.. i see them as drug addicts and uneducated ppl.. you see them as religious preachers!

[ADM]

Why do you now change the subject of the discussion to the marje3? you youself called all those who participate in 7aidar as drug addics and social rejects. didnt you just generalize?

[SAMoloGY]

dude.. im generalising the way they do.

anyways, i know ur a good guy salman.. and i dont like discussing these things out in the public.. PM me if u want to discuss it in a better way!

[BikeMaster]

I didnt know Imam Al Hussien as has appointed so many of you to speak on his behalf and preach what he would and would not like!
What you are doing IS HARAM! NEVER ASSUME WHAT GOD SWT, his PROPHETS or IMAMS would like or not! YOU have not looked into them! let me ask you a question wise ppl, what does heaven look like? Can anyone here answer this question?
What were the names of the Angels stood by Imam al hussien as asking if they can interfer? When did it happen? at what point? to what point? Does anyone know these answers? DO NOT ASSUME ANYTHING! you ppl want to assume, do it with your own lives, NOT THE LIVES OF THE IMAMS or GOD!

I will repeat what i said in another thread
Im not for it or against it.

Its not up to us to judge them. if they are not harming anyone, why should we complain? we are not the ones they will answer to if they are rite or wrong. There are some ppl who's religion is based on spaceships (tom cruise), others in some christian faiths ppl nail themselves ofn crosses, who are we to judge them? we cant even judge ourseleves but we are quick enough to point a finger.
A wise man once said
When you point a finger @ someone, look @ your hand, you will see that 1 finger points away from you while three fingers are pointing back @ you.
Peace Out

We shouldnt just say that allah swt likes or dislikes this or that, WE DO NOT KNOW ALLAH swt that we can speak for him and predict what he likes or dislikes. Even in the Koran when Allah swt says i am the most merciful or I am the greatest, we dont know or cant even imagine how great or how merciful. So dont PREDICT because in my opinion that is wrong and allah is the best of knowers.

[SAMoloGY]

I didnt know Imam Al Hussien as has appointed so many of you to speak on his behalf and preach what he would and would not like!
What you are doing IS HARAM! NEVER ASSUME WHAT GOD SWT, his PROPHETS or IMAMS would like or not! YOU have not looked into them! let me ask you a question wise ppl, what does heaven look like? Can anyone here answer this question?
What were the names of the Angels stood by Imam al hussien as asking if they can interfer? When did it happen? at what point? to what point? Does anyone know these answers? DO NOT ASSUME ANYTHING! you ppl want to assume, do it with your own lives, NOT THE LIVES OF THE IMAMS or GOD!

I will repeat what i said in another thread
Im not for it or against it.

Its not up to us to judge them. if they are not harming anyone, why should we complain? we are not the ones they will answer to if they are rite or wrong. There are some ppl who's religion is based on spaceships (tom cruise), others in some christian faiths ppl nail themselves ofn crosses, who are we to judge them? we cant even judge ourseleves but we are quick enough to point a finger.
A wise man once said
When you point a finger @ someone, look @ your hand, you will see that 1 finger points away from you while three fingers are pointing back @ you.
Peace Out

We shouldnt just say that allah swt likes or dislikes this or that, WE DO NOT KNOW ALLAH swt that we can speak for him and predict what he likes or dislikes. Even in the Koran when Allah swt says i am the most merciful or I am the greatest, we dont know or cant even imagine how great or how merciful. So dont PREDICT because in my opinion that is wrong and allah is the best of knowers.
point taken dude!

[BikeMaster]

I like what Designo said, he said Sistani said this or that!
If you had gone to Matam al gassab you would have heard the shk preaching there say:
I PERSONALLY SPOKE TO SISTANI AND ASKED, DID YOU RELEASE SUCH A FATWA?
Sistani answered : NO
He then goes to say, PPL DO NOT JUST LISTEN - LOOK AND RESEARCH AND ASK FOR PROOF! NOT JUST BECAUSE THEY SAY IT CAME FROM A MARJ3 MEANS ITS TRUE AND WE ARE NOT INFALLUBUL.. MEANS MARJ3'S MAKE MISTAKES! WAKE UP PPL!

[ADM]

dude.. im generalising the way they do.

anyways, i know ur a good guy salman.. and i dont like discussing these things out in the public.. PM me if u want to discuss it in a better way!
I know bro, i just didnt like the generalisation, because when you do, i am also falling under it.

All along, i was trying to say what BM said. Let everyone do what they want, and let God judge them.

This is just one of my ways of expressing my sorrow and greif. To people other than me, it might be the wrong thing to do, or it might be extreme. But thats their opinion, and not mine.

Like i said, i do it, because i believe in it. And allah e3oodna jamee3an inshalla :)

La shee3i, la sunni, bas ba7raini :)

[ADM]

I like what Designo said, he said Sistani said this or that!
If you had gone to Matam al gassab you would have heard the shk preaching there say:
I PERSONALLY SPOKE TO SISTANI AND ASKED, DID YOU RELEASE SUCH A FATWA?
Sistani answered : NO
He then goes to say, PPL DO NOT JUST LISTEN - LOOK AND RESEARCH AND ASK FOR PROOF! NOT JUST BECAUSE THEY SAY IT CAME FROM A MARJ3 MEANS ITS TRUE AND WE ARE NOT INFALLUBUL.. MEANS MARJ3'S MAKE MISTAKES! WAKE UP PPL!
I heard a recording for 3abul re'9a ma3ash, when he spoke about it. and he was furious about people claiming that the maraje3 said 7alal or 7aram. Ill try to find it, and post it. Im sure i have it.

[VR]

halal or haram 4 me personally I don't agree on such a practice, even if it halal we are not force to do it .

And more over it ‘s dividing us more , I know a lot of people who do it just عنتره not for the rewards of allah

[ADM]

halal or haram 4 me personally I don't agree on such a practice, even if it halal we are not force to do it .

And more over it ‘s dividing us more , I know a lot of people who do it just عنتره not for the rewards of allah
al a3maal bel neyaat :)

like u said, we arent forced to do it.

[VQ35HR]

designo
I'm here for the rides only , this is the reason why I joined this forum
and you can see , everyone have final judgement
I'm not new in 7ayder so you can imagine how many times I talked about it , it's batter when it's face to face
about the accident - the "hayaa" says that it was not about music it start about flirt ...
btw it's called موكب الامام السجادعليه السلام , I left them after مأتم مديفع , I wish I didn't , just to see what happen :crying:
last year we had problems with ماتم مدن this year with hayaa

[ADM]

Ive always wanted to be in the 6waireej mawkib :( but i didnt go this time, cuz i was too tired to run with them :( inshalla next year ill save some energy to join then.

[Racing Replica]

I like what Designo said, he said Sistani said this or that!
If you had gone to Matam al gassab you would have heard the shk preaching there say:
I PERSONALLY SPOKE TO SISTANI AND ASKED, DID YOU RELEASE SUCH A FATWA?
Sistani answered : NO
He then goes to say, PPL DO NOT JUST LISTEN - LOOK AND RESEARCH AND ASK FOR PROOF! NOT JUST BECAUSE THEY SAY IT CAME FROM A MARJ3 MEANS ITS TRUE AND WE ARE NOT INFALLUBUL.. MEANS MARJ3'S MAKE MISTAKES! WAKE UP PPL!
And you never give a face when you're in Gassab :z:

[ADM]

There are people who see right in doing such haider or 3azaa process, other may not see that right and thats normal.

to those who agree and not you will never be able to convince each other from doing the oppisite everyone has the right and the will to followreligion rituals as they see right, so no need for such long never ending discussion.

I quote BLACK Z

[A.Z]

if you have a race on the weekend, and no one is there to work for you, you would pay anything to just get anyone work in your car..
i wouldn't say such a thing if i was not sure about it...
i know how people charge in the states, and know how people charge in Bahrain.
I wont race as simple as that!
You sound like the fast and the furious ahmedo :spray:

[designo]

second of all.. most of ur maraje3 say its 7aram except for one.. shirazi, which btw also says sunni's are kafir.. !

You got any more info on that? I need to read this than hear it from people!

[ADM]

If anyone is going to accuse anyone of anything, please provide evidence. And please provide evidence that any marje3 has declared 7aidar 7araam :) as far as i know, none have. And no1 has the right to accuse anyone of anything. And where doyou stand in Islam to valuate a marje3?

[designo]

If anyone is going to accuse anyone of anything, please provide evidence. And please provide evidence that any marje3 has declared 7aidar 7araam :) as far as i know, none have. And no1 has the right to accuse anyone of anything. And where doyou stand in Islam to valuate a marje3?
ADM

No marje3 has declared haidar 7aram, and no marjes has declared it 7alal either! It was a fatwa by Imam Khamenie a few years ago!

How ever, logic is essential.... and where common sense and logic needs to be used, it should. We dont need people to tell us its 7alal or 7aram.. cause we dont live in the stone age anymore!

Quran cam down once, and after that, evolution and history took over. Its up to us and those wise enough to carry on with the works of the prophet throughout time!

[ADM]

ADM

No marje3 has declared haidar 7aram, and no marjes has declared it 7alal either! It was a fatwa by Imam Khamenie a few years ago!

How ever, logic is essential.... and where common sense and logic needs to be used, it should. We dont need people to tell us its 7alal or 7aram.. cause we dont live in the stone age anymore!

Quran cam down once, and after that, evolution and history took over. Its up to us and those wise enough to carry on with the works of the prophet throughout time!
So D, from your own words, you are saying, that if someone believes in himself that it is not 7aram, he can do it, and if he sees it as 7aram, he doesnt have to. Freedom to practice his beliefs, is his right.

Am i not free to pracitce what i believe in? Many people drink, take drugs, no one gives a sh!t about it. But people pick on the simple things, because its not "modern" its too old fasioned.

Well, i WILL not stop doing what i believe in. And for as long as i believe in what i do, only Allah can stop me from doing what i believe in. Nothing anyone can say, or do, can or will convince me elsewise.

[SAMoloGY]

You got any more info on that? I need to read this than hear it from people!
ill try to find his site on the internet .. im 100% sure its there, coz i read it off his website!!

ayatollah 5oo2i also declared sunni's as kafir although indirectly, he said "man yankir al imama kaafir yasta7iq al 5ulood fil naar" and us sunni's dont believe in imamat ali ra'9y allah 3anh but see him as the last of the 5ulafa2 il rashedeen and one of the rightful 4 leaders that came after the prophit mohammed before bany umaya took over.

[designo]

ill try to find his site on the internet .. im 100% sure its there, coz i read it off his website!!

ayatollah 5oo2i also declared sunni's as kafir although indirectly, he said "man yankir al imama kaafir yasta7iq al 5ulood fil naar" and us sunni's dont believe in imamat ali ra'9y allah 3anh but see him as the last of the 5ulafa2 il rashedeen and one of the rightful 4 leaders that came after the prophit mohammed before bany umaya took over.
SW

I think you mis-understood alot of things when it comes to Imams and all. You are not dis-beliefing imams.. i'm sure you're not. you beleive they existed, and you believe who they were... but the concept behind what they represented you might not agree with!

That my friend... is NOT inkar!! So you are not a kafir! And '7oooey never said sunni's were kafireeen, so please be careful what you say in public! Trust me bro, i can sit with you and show you alot of stuff you will find interesting but the most important things i wanna show you is how NOT biased or repenting shiaa conception is of other mathahib and religions!!

I have met '7ooey, and i have met kooohrani, and other religious heads and trust me, when you hear it from the horse's mouth, its very comforting to know that there are so much propaganda and fitna in this world.

Those with clear hearts and iman in allah, will blind themselves to fitna!!!

[ADM]

SW

I think you mis-understood alot of things when it comes to Imams and all. You are not dis-beliefing imams.. i'm sure you're not. you beleive they existed, and you believe who they were... but the concept behind what they represented you might not agree with!

That my friend... is NOT inkar!! So you are not a kafir! And '7oooey never said sunni's were kafireeen, so please be careful what you say in public! Trust me bro, i can sit with you and show you alot of stuff you will find interesting but the most important things i wanna show you is how NOT biased or repenting shiaa conception is of other mathahib and religions!!

I have met '7ooey, and i have met kooohrani, and other religious heads and trust me, when you hear it from the horse's mouth, its very comforting to know that there are so much propaganda and fitna in this world.

Those with clear hearts and iman in allah, will blind themselves to fitna!!!
Thank you D for clearing it out for everyone so very well. A viery wise and simple, and straight to the point explanation. I hope alot of the people who read it, benifit from it :)

It always is a matter of difference in interpretation. A sentence will have many meaning to it, especially in arabic. Like the Quraan, it can tell you a sentence, and hidden in that sentence, is a 1000 other :) Mashalla, it is the beauty of the arabic language. This is why for the last 1400 years we are still digging through the lines in the Quraan to interpretate it and find out everything it has to offer to us :)

Bro, it is always best to return to the source of the matter. If you have heard somewhere from someone, or read it somewhere, that the marje3 has said that sentence, contact the marje3, and ask him personally regarding the matter, and he will return to you with a 100% unbiased reply, and even you will think "the answer was right there, and i missed it?" It just a thing that runs with emotions, and at the time, your mind will not think right. Its only a normal human reaction.

We are all Muslims, regardless of our personal beliefs. We all pray to Allah, we all believe in the Holy Books, we all believe in Ahl ul Bait(they are mentioned in the Quraan, and i can provide you with the 2ayeh al kareema that has mentioned them),so where are our differences? our real differences? Stand united aganinst all those who stand in the way against the victory of Islam. People who spread lies against us. We must fight them with our knowledge, with the Quraan.

We, are all Muslims :)

[designo]

Which brings me to my next point i failed to mention today!

It appears that the individuals that approached the 3ajam and stirred trouble and caused a fight were not even from the hay'aa.

The hay'aa representative were called later on that night and denied ever instructing anyone to stop the proceedings that night! Apparently, they all insisted that most of the hay'aa members were residents of that area and would want nothing else than peace and tranquility!!

So that word on the street is, they are hunting down those individuals who wore the hay'aa badges and pretended to be them that night!!

Yalla.. there's "fitna" for you! Its reached our doorsteps!!

One more thing, I could not have seen a beter sight than what I saw at the na3eem health center on 3ashoora.... thousands of people coming to give blood, shias, sunis, wahabies, from all over the gulf!! It was so organised... i amde it there exactly at 2.15 ( they opened the doors at 2.00 ) and my ticket number was 415!!!!!!

MTC vodafone sponsored the whole thing.... there was plenty of juices and food to go around!! ANd i met alot of people and had a good time too!

May our nations prosper and may we defeat those evil idialogies and evil people who are trying to break us apart!!

[ADM]

Which brings me to my next point i failed to mention today!

It appears that the individuals that approached the 3ajam and stirred trouble and caused a fight were not even from the hay'aa.

The hay'aa representative were called later on that night and denied ever instructing anyone to stop the proceedings that night! Apparently, they all insisted that most of the hay'aa members were residents of that area and would want nothing else than peace and tranquility!!

So that word on the street is, they are hunting down those individuals who wore the hay'aa badges and pretended to be them that night!!

Yalla.. there's "fitna" for you! Its reached our doorsteps!!

One more thing, I could not have seen a beter sight than what I saw at the na3eem health center on 3ashoora.... thousands of people coming to give blood, shias, sunis, wahabies, from all over the gulf!! It was so organised... i amde it there exactly at 2.15 ( they opened the doors at 2.00 ) and my ticket number was 415!!!!!!

MTC vodafone sponsored the whole thing.... there was plenty of juices and food to go around!! ANd i met alot of people and had a good time too!

May our nations prosper and may we defeat those evil idialogies and evil people who are trying to break us apart!!
Al 7ussain yejma3na :)

[BikeMaster]

SW

I think you mis-understood alot of things when it comes to Imams and all. You are not dis-beliefing imams.. i'm sure you're not. you beleive they existed, and you believe who they were... but the concept behind what they represented you might not agree with!

That my friend... is NOT inkar!! So you are not a kafir! And '7oooey never said sunni's were kafireeen, so please be careful what you say in public! Trust me bro, i can sit with you and show you alot of stuff you will find interesting but the most important things i wanna show you is how NOT biased or repenting shiaa conception is of other mathahib and religions!!

I have met '7ooey, and i have met kooohrani, and other religious heads and trust me, when you hear it from the horse's mouth, its very comforting to know that there are so much propaganda and fitna in this world.

Those with clear hearts and iman in allah, will blind themselves to fitna!!!


Well said D.

SW, i asked alot of followers of Shirazi today and none confirmed your story, They informed me that those who are saying it to you are incorrect.
I would like to add that in my opinion NO ONE in this world can call anyone else a KAFIR because quite simply we do not have that authorithy or knowledge on who is really kafir and who is not. Only ALLAH swt can say that none of us. So if anyone is comfortable in thier religion then things like this should not bother us,, who calls us what. we know what we are, we know what we are doing and are convinced of it and thats the main thing.
The prophet SAW said. ASK ABOUT YOUR RELIGION UNTIL THEY CALL YOU INSANE.
PEACE OUT

[Black Z]

Welcome to the real world of lunicy...

Arabs never respect each others opinion thats the major problem we have in Bahrain as far as we concern...

about flirting I wont get into details but it's kind of stupid doing it in such event, where people show respect to the grandchildren of the prophet.

but hey lets face the fact some girls take a chance doing such things in such mentioned events while they can be away from their families saying that their going to ma'tam or 3aza. like in Ramadan girls say were going for eid shopping where the truth is their going tro have some fun.

[ZOSicK]

designo turned out to be a very good preecher :up2:

i love u C.S :hyper:

[designo]

Welcome to the real world of lunicy...

Arabs never respect each others opinion thats the major problem we have in Bahrain as far as we concern...

It's not about arabs anymore bro. Different ethnic background practice islam these days.


about flirting I wont get into details but it's kind of stupid doing it in such event, where people show respect to the grandchildren of the prophet.

What if these girls found husbands and got married because of this. Would that we good or bad?


but hey lets face the fact some girls take a chance doing such things in such mentioned events while they can be away from their families saying that their going to ma'tam or 3aza. like in Ramadan girls say were going for eid shopping where the truth is their going tro have some fun.

It should not matter, because what's important is that our next generation do not forget these occasions, and the only way they will not forget these occasions and will look forward to them is if they enjoy it!

It is up to the parents to educate them properly, but first its important that our young children look forward to these occasions first, before we can educate or preach good faith to them!

[ADM]

Welcome to the real world of lunicy...

Arabs never respect each others opinion thats the major problem we have in Bahrain as far as we concern...

about flirting I wont get into details but it's kind of stupid doing it in such event, where people show respect to the grandchildren of the prophet.

but hey lets face the fact some girls take a chance doing such things in such mentioned events while they can be away from their families saying that their going to ma'tam or 3aza. like in Ramadan girls say were going for eid shopping where the truth is their going tro have some fun.
Its really disgraceful how people today are exploiting the trajedy of the Prophet and his Family, to commit such sins. Its shocking when you see people from the hay'a roaming around in the empty lands between the dark alleyways, with flash lights, searching in cars, and actually catching people in the cars. Seen it with my own eyes.

[designo]

You guys are so short sighted its unbelievable!

Let me ask you this question? How many adults over the age of 25 do you see flirting in 3azas? Are you going to force these practices on the youngsters in today"s world?

Or are you going to use today's world to your advantage and achieve the goals you really wanna achieve at the end?

Trust me, at young age, its very hard for teenagers to be pulled into a world of conservatives mixed with liberates! Its tough on them and parents dont realise it!

If little teenagers enjoy going to 3azas today because they flirt, thats fine cause they are children. When they grow older and get married, they will always have good memories of these days and insist on going rather than have bad memories of enforcement upon them and forget thes days all together at an older age!!!

[-=<FOXXX>=-]

oh so tru designowww

[Kayman]

Very interesting thread.

Keep it coming.

[ADM]

You guys are so short sighted its unbelievable!

Let me ask you this question? How many adults over the age of 25 do you see flirting in 3azas? Are you going to force these practices on the youngsters in today"s world?

Or are you going to use today's world to your advantage and achieve the goals you really wanna achieve at the end?

Trust me, at young age, its very hard for teenagers to be pulled into a world of conservatives mixed with liberates! Its tough on them and parents dont realise it!

If little teenagers enjoy going to 3azas today because they flirt, thats fine cause they are children. When they grow older and get married, they will always have good memories of these days and insist on going rather than have bad memories of enforcement upon them and forget thes days all together at an older age!!!
But then again D, we are missing out the basic point of the 3azaa. We go these to show our respect, and comemorate, not flirt. People who go and watch, should do so with a clean intention, to show support.

[designo]

In a perfect world, yes! But you need to be smart and work with what you got now and build on it from there.

We need to stop swimming against the tides bro, it wont get us anywhere!

[4ced]

so in designos ideology, if you want to become a pedophile, its pretty easy. give a kid a lollipop and hit him from the back!

its gonna hurt, but hes gonna associate it with the pleasure of the sugar rush! so next time he wants that, hell come back to you!

[designo]

so in designos ideology, if you want to become a pedophile, its pretty easy. give a kid a lollipop and hit him from the back!

its gonna hurt, but hes gonna associate it with the pleasure of the sugar rush! so next time he wants that, hell come back to you!


THANK YOU! FINALLY SOMEONE WHO UNDERSTANDS! :guitar:

[4ced]

got any lollipops?

[- Big&Blue -]

where do u guys come up with all this crap?

seriously, im at work and dont have my religious literature with me and im talking vids,cutouts from books and the like

in fact i have stuff which will be such a big slap in the face that this thread wont be answered to after the post

why am i so confident? cuz i spent the last 3-4 years being a neutral muslim refsung to consider myself sunni nor shi3ee and studying matters with my brain rather than my heart and the result was shocking!!

as for u guys believing whatever the mullas in the matams say...i dont wanna be disrespectful but they do include a good % of bullshit, sometimes it may take a stupid sentence by ( a guy believed to be a wise man) to realise hes a total idiot

seriously as a shiite by birth i ask u this:
did u know these acts of muharam were all rejected by the 12 imams? last of which i read by imam jaffar al sadiq

almost everything that we do is against the preachings of the imams but then how many of the shiites r aware or knowledgable?

to the person who argues i say:why do u take the words of the imam at the mimbar over the sayings of the 12 imams if u so much believe in them!!! for gods sakes the things they say " al rasool made a big mistake.....", "ayesha is a zaniya" damn u if the prophet fails to raise a young girl...that makes our women what?? would we dare accuse khomeinis wife...dont think so, yet we dare to accuse the prophet

as for takfeer? u guys think that takfeer is a fitna? sorry think again after all dont shiite maraji3 ajma3een call sunnis "nawaseb" without justification

yet shiites r offended for being called mushrikeen by sunnis, even though we r well aware (i think not) of our 12 imams teachings which are the opposite of our actions.....why do we take the teachings of sistani, korani and the bunch over our imams? is it cuz we want to be different..isnt that what causes the difference between madahib? why do we leave the teacher and learn from the student?

i say all that in a hope that we may come together on our similarities that are backed up by imams, sahaba and the holy quran and give a rats ass to anything else told to us which is a lot of BS

wheather ur a sunni or shi3ee take whats told to and and double check cuz wallah there are a large number of ppl maykhafoon rabhom lets change that and join up together, if we do that this thing called madahib will become extinct i assure u dont just believe all thats said to u

and i say this being neither sunni or shi3ee with taking no favors to any side just plain facts thrown on the table with plenty of backup to prove it

[The Shadow]

where do u guys come up with all this crap?

seriously, im at work and dont have my religious literature with me and im talking vids,cutouts from books and the like

in fact i have stuff which will be such a big slap in the face that this thread wont be answered to after the post

why am i so confident? cuz i spent the last 3-4 years being a neutral muslim refsung to consider myself sunni nor shi3ee and studying matters with my brain rather than my heart and the result was shocking!!

as for u guys believing whatever the mullas in the matams say...i dont wanna be disrespectful but they do include a good % of bullshit, sometimes it may take a stupid sentence by ( a guy believed to be a wise man) to realise hes a total idiot

seriously as a shiite by birth i ask u this:
did u know these acts of muharam were all rejected by the 12 imams? last of which i read by imam jaffar al sadiq

almost everything that we do is against the preachings of the imams but then how many of the shiites r aware or knowledgable?

to the person who argues i say:why do u take the words of the imam at the mimbar over the sayings of the 12 imams if u so much believe in them!!! for gods sakes the things they say " al rasool made a big mistake.....", "ayesha is a zaniya" damn u if the prophet fails to raise a young girl...that makes our women what?? would we dare accuse khomeinis wife...dont think so, yet we dare to accuse the prophet

as for takfeer? u guys think that takfeer is a fitna? sorry think again after all dont shiite maraji3 ajma3een call sunnis "nawaseb" without justification

yet shiites r offended for being called mushrikeen by sunnis, even though we r well aware (i think not) of our 12 imams teachings which are the opposite of our actions.....why do we take the teachings of sistani, korani and the bunch over our imams? is it cuz we want to be different..isnt that what causes the difference between madahib? why do we leave the teacher and learn from the student?

i say all that in a hope that we may come together on our similarities that are backed up by imams, sahaba and the holy quran and give a rats ass to anything else told to us which is a lot of BS

wheather ur a sunni or shi3ee take whats told to and and double check cuz wallah there are a large number of ppl maykhafoon rabhom lets change that and join up together, if we do that this thing called madahib will become extinct i assure u dont just believe all thats said to u

and i say this being neither sunni or shi3ee with taking no favors to any side just plain facts thrown on the table with plenty of backup to prove it

Salam allah ala al hussien as.

First of all i applaude you for looking into religion and not walking into it blindly without knowing weather you are coming or going.
But looking at your post history, i see that in life in general you do not know if you are coming or going .
To say that you are correct and that we are all ignorant is unfair brother and to call all those shks speaking bull is also ignorant. You cannot condem something you have no knowledge of or even praise it without knowledge.
I also see that you are one that still belives that what was exactly said 1400 years ago remains accurate to the word today. To you my brother i say read some Koran. It says in the Koran that there will be people who will change the words that are spoken to make a quick money in a sense. What you would call these days as chinese whisper.
If you with one book or a few can shut me up, please be my guest as i see you are impressed with a few and NOT ALL.
You do not know WHO was Imam Al Hussien As so please do not speak of what we should do or should not. Unless you think you are Holy. And i seriously doubt that you are in any means.
Imam Al Mahdi AJF was seen on several occasions in Matam's and in Iraq recently in Aza Tuwareej. But i guess you do not know him either . My Guess if you should believe everything you read and nothing that you see. Read a few more books and ill say a prayer for you inna allah yahdeek inshallah.
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Someone just hit the NOS button with a 1 million hp shot!

[- Big&Blue -]

Salam allah ala al hussien as.

First of all i applaude you for looking into religion and not walking into it blindly without knowing weather you are coming or going.
But looking at your post history, i see that in life in general you do not know if you are coming or going .
To say that you are correct and that we are all ignorant is unfair brother and to call all those shks speaking bull is also ignorant. You cannot condem something you have no knowledge of or even praise it without knowledge.
I also see that you are one that still belives that what was exactly said 1400 years ago remains accurate to the word today. To you my brother i say read some Koran. It says in the Koran that there will be people who will change the words that are spoken to make a quick money in a sense. What you would call these days as chinese whisper.
If you with one book or a few can shut me up, please be my guest as i see you are impressed with a few and NOT ALL.
You do not know WHO was Imam Al Hussien As so please do not speak of what we should do or should not. Unless you think you are Holy. And i seriously doubt that you are in any means.
Imam Al Mahdi AJF was seen on several occasions in Matam's and in Iraq recently in Aza Tuwareej. But i guess you do not know him either . My Guess if you should believe everything you read and nothing that you see. Read a few more books and ill say a prayer for you inna allah yahdeek inshallah.
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im not known to talk bullshit out here

in 2 weeks time im opening a thread that i want u to answer to personally but i want your replies not based on your opinion but like u said KORAN and hadeeth
just one thing.... i want a proven answer from a proven source and being a shi3ee myself im not bringing any info from 1400years ago im gonna get u things happenin right here, right now

today is the 6th right? im opening a thread on the 21st

ill post what i have and i give u a whole month to reply to that

thats all i got..... u accept?

[- Big&Blue -]

Someone just hit the NOS button with a 1 million hp shot!


HIROSHIMA ? :)

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HIROSHIMA ? :)
The Big Bang!

[ADM]

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[designo]

designo
I'm here for the rides only , this is the reason why I joined this forum
and you can see , everyone have final judgement
I'm not new in 7ayder so you can imagine how many times I talked about it , it's batter when it's face to face
about the accident - the "hayaa" says that it was not about music it start about flirt ...
btw it's called موكب الامام السجادعليه السلام , I left them after مأتم مديفع , I wish I didn't , just to see what happen :crying:
last year we had problems with ماتم مدن this year with hayaa
Yeah i understand.

I like to live life by a simple concept.... and the concept goes like this!

God has created something, do not abuse it! Your body, your mind and your heart is God's creation, don't abuse it!

[VQ35HR]

Yeah i understand.

I like to live life by a simple concept.... and the concept goes like this!

God has created something, do not abuse it! Your body, your mind and your heart is God's creation, don't abuse it!

ok , good 4 u :clap: :clap:

[ADM]

Yeah i understand.

I like to live life by a simple concept.... and the concept goes like this!

God has created something, do not abuse it! Your body, your mind and your heart is God's creation, don't abuse it!
D, do you smoke?

[- Big&Blue -]

The Big Bang!


God?

RR limited edition

[designo]

Imam Al Mahdi AJF was seen on several occasions in Matam's and in Iraq recently in Aza Tuwareej. But i guess you do not know him either .

Maybe he's boory! They only beleive in 6 imams!!

heheheh

[designo]

D, do you smoke?
I would like to practice my 5th ammendment!

[4ced]

dude, that doesnt exist in bahrain. if you dont talk, they beat you!

[designo]

dude, that doesnt exist in bahrain. if you dont talk, they beat you!
I'm 3ijmy, they don't beat us!

[The Shadow]

im not known to talk bullshit out here

in 2 weeks time im opening a thread that i want u to answer to personally but i want your replies not based on your opinion but like u said KORAN and hadeeth
just one thing.... i want a proven answer from a proven source and being a shi3ee myself im not bringing any info from 1400years ago im gonna get u things happenin right here, right now

today is the 6th right? im opening a thread on the 21st

ill post what i have and i give u a whole month to reply to that

thats all i got..... u accept?

First of all, im not here to Challenge anyone, so no, your rules do not apply to me brother.
You wish to take 2 weeks to research and bring questions deep inside you, you yourself are trying to find the answer to and refer to your books.
If you want something proven, prove to me this.. Does Allah swt exsist? Prove it!
Allah is not seen, but we know he exsists just like rite and wrong exsists like many other examples. Just because we do not see it does not mean it does not exsist. Nor because we do not feel it. Tell me, do Jinn exsist? Do angels exsist? You want to tell me The prohpet saw exsisted? do you have his picture and some witnessess? would you belive the witnessess? would you have doubt?
The list can go on and on and on if you want.
My point is to you brother is, you do not have enough belief within you to push forward. You double doubt yourself, which in some books say that Iblees la is your bestfriend (if you want to believe all books). You dont have within you the determination to really find out. You want to know how i know? because you are not a young child, you have reached maybe high 20's and you still did not have enough belief or research, if you were that determined then you have dropped all things and pursed the most important thing first which is faith. No matter what faith you wish to be, weather budda or hindu or muslim or which ever faith or sect you wish to be in you would have found an answer by now. Alot of ppl travel half way around the world looking for answers to thier faith. If you are Shia and wish to enhance your faith, i suggest visiting Syira or Iran or Iraq. Where if still did not belive then, bring a dog to any dareeh.. pull it do whatever you wish, you will see a dog will bite you and still not enter any dareeh. if you still have doubt.. try to take alohol and see what it turns to. If you still have more doubt, i suggest you change your deen to something you mostly belive in.
To you i say brother.. read more koran than any other book.
Salam Allah 3la al Hussien a.s

[designo]

First of all, im not here to Challenge anyone, so no, your rules do not apply to me brother.
You wish to take 2 weeks to research and bring questions deep inside you, you yourself are trying to find the answer to and refer to your books.
If you want something proven, prove to me this.. Does Allah swt exsist? Prove it!
Allah is not seen, but we know he exsists just like rite and wrong exsists like many other examples. Just because we do not see it does not mean it does not exsist. Nor because we do not feel it. Tell me, do Jinn exsist? Do angels exsist? You want to tell me The prohpet saw exsisted? do you have his picture and some witnessess? would you belive the witnessess? would you have doubt?
The list can go on and on and on if you want.
My point is to you brother is, you do not have enough belief within you to push forward. You double doubt yourself, which in some books say that Iblees la is your bestfriend (if you want to believe all books). You dont have within you the determination to really find out. You want to know how i know? because you are not a young child, you have reached maybe high 20's and you still did not have enough belief or research, if you were that determined then you have dropped all things and pursed the most important thing first which is faith. No matter what faith you wish to be, weather budda or hindu or muslim or which ever faith or sect you wish to be in you would have found an answer by now. Alot of ppl travel half way around the world looking for answers to thier faith. If you are Shia and wish to enhance your faith, i suggest visiting Syira or Iran or Iraq. Where if still did not belive then, bring a dog to any dareeh.. pull it do whatever you wish, you will see a dog will bite you and still not enter any dareeh. if you still have doubt.. try to take alohol and see what it turns to. If you still have more doubt, i suggest you change your deen to something you mostly belive in.
To you i say brother.. read more koran than any other book.
Salam Allah 3la al Hussien a.s

Dude, its all "MYTH"!

MYTH = Many Years of Twisted Helucinations

[ADM]

I would like to practice my 5th ammendment!

Originally Posted by designo
Yeah i understand.

I like to live life by a simple concept.... and the concept goes like this!

God has created something, do not abuse it! Your body, your mind and your heart is God's creation, don't abuse it!
You were saying something about a 5th ammendment?

[ADM]

Dude, its all "MYTH"!

MYTH = Many Years of Twisted Helucinations
Whats all a myth?

[ADM]

I have a question that has been stirring through my mind for a very very long time. A question, whom no one has the answer to. I have managed to keep my mind off it, to avoid it questioning my faith, and making me doubt into what i believe in.

I asked someone before, and no one else other than that person, and the only reply i got was, this is only Satan playing with your mind, remember allah, and keep this question out of your mind, for it will only weaken your faith.

It hasnt, but as a human, and we are all curious by nature, i have a right to ask questions, and i have a right to get answers to them.

I fear that asking this question, will cost me the respect of many people. So, i shall ask it, as i consider it, the most contraversial question in our existance.

We believe that Allah has created all being, created us humans, and a world to live in. But if Allah created us, how did (asta'3fur allah,before i continue) Allah come into existance, who created Allah, and how did he come into being?

Has anyone ever thought about this question before?

This my friend, is the sort of question, that converts people into Athiests.

Im sorry i asked it. I hope it doesnt shake the faith of anyone, and it never will shake mine, but i hope i didnt offend anyone by asking it.

Thank you

[designo]

ADM

God created you with a brain, a brain he taught you to use, a brain he created for you rto question many things, a brain and a heart designed to work together in harmony! There is nothing wrong with the fact that you asked it!

Some things dear friend, we have no answer to! humans have a long way to go in discovering our past and also predicting our future!

Let me ask you this... whats out there?

Out there is space, what about what's after that? I mean... we as humans have a limited accpetance of what things are... and thats cause we dont know any better!

I mean seriously, how can something physical not have an end??? Is there a wall after the universe? Or the galaxy? What about whats behind that wall?]

Its scary... and anything that doesnt make sense is scary, and thats why people are taught not to question their faith! Cause it would eventually scare the shiiites out of you!!!!

[ADM]

ADM

God created you with a brain, a brain he taught you to use, a brain he created for you rto question many things, a brain and a heart designed to work together in harmony! There is nothing wrong with the fact that you asked it!

Some things dear friend, we have no answer to! humans have a long way to go in discovering our past and also predicting our future!

Let me ask you this... whats out there?

Out there is space, what about what's after that? I mean... we as humans have a limited accpetance of what things are... and thats cause we dont know any better!

I mean seriously, how can something physical not have an end??? Is there a wall after the universe? Or the galaxy? What about whats behind that wall?]

Its scary... and anything that doesnt make sense is scary, and thats why people are taught not to question their faith! Cause it would eventually scare the shiiites out of you!!!!
I believe that there is no such thing as impossible. My mind is always open, and my imagination has no limits.

I also wonder if there is more life out there. Is there another earth? Are there other beings in this universe. Why did i come into existance? What would it feel like to die?

I sometimes imagine my life, as a video camera, with my eyes as the lens, walking around the earth, exploring, and recording everything i see. Maybe i wont remeber everything i see, but it is lost somewhere in my memory. And i have an intelligance to think, and differenciate between things. So basically, we are, robots if you will? With an indefinite memory, but yet we are biological organisms, that can feel, and have emotions.

These questions are only out of curiousity, like you said, nothing wrong in asking. I want to understand the universe openly, as far as my mind can imagine, and imagination has basically, no limits.

Everything has an end, well, thats just basic physics of life.

These arent things that will shake the foundations of my faith in Allah.

I like your reply bro. Really enjoyed reading it.

Anyone got answers to my quiestion?

And D, do you not agree that this is a question which an answer for will never exist? Did it not shake you when youread it? Im sure the only thing you did when you thought of it, was asta'3fur allah, and you tried to get the question out of ur mind. And thats what i do every time, even thought, i am fully confident that it will not make me doubt my beliefs.

Come on people, give me some feedback.

[VR]

For you ADM it may help you http://www.rafed.net/research/01/02.html

[designo]

And D, do you not agree that this is a question which an answer for will never exist? Did it not shake you when youread it? Im sure the only thing you did when you thought of it, was asta'3fur allah, and you tried to get the question out of ur mind. And thats what i do every time, even thought, i am fully confident that it will not make me doubt my beliefs.

.

No not really!

I hope the arrival of Imam il zaman occurs in my lifetime! :hail:

[- Big&Blue -]

First of all, im not here to Challenge anyone, so no, your rules do not apply to me brother.
You wish to take 2 weeks to research and bring questions deep inside you, you yourself are trying to find the answer to and refer to your books.
If you want something proven, prove to me this.. Does Allah swt exsist? Prove it!
Allah is not seen, but we know he exsists just like rite and wrong exsists like many other examples. Just because we do not see it does not mean it does not exsist. Nor because we do not feel it. Tell me, do Jinn exsist? Do angels exsist? You want to tell me The prohpet saw exsisted? do you have his picture and some witnessess? would you belive the witnessess? would you have doubt?
The list can go on and on and on if you want.
My point is to you brother is, you do not have enough belief within you to push forward. You double doubt yourself, which in some books say that Iblees la is your bestfriend (if you want to believe all books). You dont have within you the determination to really find out. You want to know how i know? because you are not a young child, you have reached maybe high 20's and you still did not have enough belief or research, if you were that determined then you have dropped all things and pursed the most important thing first which is faith. No matter what faith you wish to be, weather budda or hindu or muslim or which ever faith or sect you wish to be in you would have found an answer by now. Alot of ppl travel half way around the world looking for answers to thier faith. If you are Shia and wish to enhance your faith, i suggest visiting Syira or Iran or Iraq. Where if still did not belive then, bring a dog to any dareeh.. pull it do whatever you wish, you will see a dog will bite you and still not enter any dareeh. if you still have doubt.. try to take alohol and see what it turns to. If you still have more doubt, i suggest you change your deen to something you mostly belive in.
To you i say brother.. read more koran than any other book.
Salam Allah 3la al Hussien a.s


to doubt the existance of god or the prophet (S) isnt an option in islam...

as for the two weeks... i dont need two weeks to research... i need two weeks to select the stuff i already have!!!! and post it in a proper manner

as for dogs and alcohol....they have a cow back in india whos urine cures people!!

u keep asking me to read the koran? why? are u expecting me to bring u anything other that in my argument?


as for pictures and evidence... imam al mahdi has been joining mawkeb al 3azaa among other sighting eh? got a picture? u expect me to believe the scores of shiites wouldnt rush there for pics and filming?


u think youre the first person i have such a discussion with? i have my share of people who have been tongue tied in these matters

so what are you afraid of? i say accept my, "lets call it a debate" in which most of what i quoted u saying shall be answered by: your maraje3, quran, hadeeth shareef etc not just any book written by any1

i have nothing more to post regarding this matter if your answer is a no

im not turning this into our "race stories" section

[ADM]

as for pictures and evidence... imam al mahdi has been joining mawkeb al 3azaa among other sighting eh? got a picture? u expect me to believe the scores of shiites wouldnt rush there for pics and filming?

He will be among us in the 3azaas, to comemorate the martyrdom of his grandfather, but it doesnt mean you will have to see him, does it? He could be walking amongsts us as a stranger, you never know.

[Phoenix]

8. Controversial Topics
Controversial topics, such as religion, abortion, retardation, racism, etc., will NOT be allowed. Although these topics usually start out civilly enough, experience has shown that these sort of topics invariably disintegrate into all out flame wars and heated arguments.


sorry guyz ,, have to close it :confused: