EVO for DRAG

[ELGT]

Awsome EVO for DRAGRACING with some strange upgrades.
http://www3.0zz0.com/2007/02/26/20/70270421.jpg
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[ADM]

I think i just ejaculated without having an orgasm :blink:

I dunno what to say really. Its so beautiful :(

But i think they should fabricate a pipe that goes through the windscreen to flow in more air into the compressor of the turbo and get more air into the engine.

Truely a work of art.

Thank you bro :)

[RH9]

One mean machine ...

damn

[ELGT]

Ok, how about a stranger EVO engine.

[RH9]

I wonder why they span the engine 180 deg in the first evo ...

ummm...stange

[SAMoloGY]

I wonder why they span the engine 180 deg in the first evo ...

ummm...stange
was thinking the same exact thing..

could it be because htyere running no intercooler, the put the intake manifold infront to loose some heat.. or u know what.. its a stupid idea.. id like to know why though!

[Blow-Off]

ttttt .. over done

[Ottoman]

was thinking the same exact thing..

could it be because htyere running no intercooler, the put the intake manifold infront to loose some heat.. or u know what.. its a stupid idea.. id like to know why though!


it's just an Evo 3 motor :p

spinning the engine backwards.. would mean that u have 6 reverse gears and 1 forward gear :p

[ADM]

If i remember correctly, there are different kind of 4G63's.

Some came with the cam gears on the other side, like this one..

http://www.adaptronic.com.au/reports/4G63-VR4-Lancer/Lancer-loom-finnished.jpg

Im confused :duh:

[RH9]

I think the real reason would be to take the turbo system inside the car and push the whole engine backwards closer to the firewall ...

[ADM]

I think the real reason would be to take the turbo system inside the car and push the whole engine backwards closer to the firewall ...
Yea, but like otto said, it would be going 6 gears in reverse,or 5 if its not an MR tranny, and one forward.

[Ottoman]

If i remember correctly, there are different kind of 4G63's.

Some came with the cam gears on the other side, like this one..

http://www.adaptronic.com.au/reports/4G63-VR4-Lancer/Lancer-loom-finnished.jpg

Im confused :duh:



the 4G63 u pictured is used in the Evo 1,2,3 1g 2g eclipse and galant VR4 and a couple other DSM cars..

evo 4-9 uses the newer 4g63... when they turned it around..


its obvious the 2nd drag car is an Evo3 style engine they just grinded down the lettering on the valve cover

if u look at the "thickness" of the new evo style valve cover vs the old one

it's hadda obvious which one it is...

the 2nd pic is the "old" style 4g63.. no doubt about it

[ADM]

Hey Otto, do you recon i could dump a 4G63 into the KIA with an Eclipse gear & diff? :D The body would probably crumple at the 1st launch at the fenders, or the engine will just twist itself off the chassis :laf: It weights merely a ton. Should be pretty fast :D

:tome:

[Ottoman]

Yea, but like otto said, it would be going 6 gears in reverse,or 5 if its not an MR tranny, and one forward.


they could be using an aftermarket racing tranny designed for the old gen Evo motors...

and in order for the engine to spin the right way they had to flip the motor around


the americans have done alot with the 1G-2G eclipse for drag purposes..

where as evo's are still weak drivetrain wise...

so they're probably using a Shep tranny or something similar adopted from the americans...


that's my guess any way..

no way that it's the stock tranny tho... the engine spins the wrong way

[Ottoman]

Hey Otto, do you recon i could dump a 4G63 into the KIA with an Eclipse gear & diff? :D The body would probably crumple at the 1st launch at the fenders, or the engine will just twist itself off the chassis :laf: It weights merely a ton. Should be pretty fast :D

:tome:


there's a certain model hyundai in the states that comes with 4G from the factory... elantra or something similar.. i forget now..

the engine is very cheap in emirates...

converting a FF kia with an FF 4G shouldn't be that difficult...

if ppl can fit K series motors into older honda's

then this will be a piece of cake..

custom mounts to drop the engine and tranny in..

and custom half shafts to reach the wheel hubs...

new fuel pump

the rest will be pretty much OEM mitsu stuff...

[ADM]

they could be using an aftermarket racing tranny designed for the old gen Evo motors...

and in order for the engine to spin the right way they had to flip the motor around


the americans have done alot with the 1G-2G eclipse for drag purposes..

where as evo's are still weak drivetrain wise...

so they're probably using a Shep tranny or something similar adopted from the americans...


that's my guess any way..

no way that it's the stock tranny tho... the engine spins the wrong way
I think i found out the trick to all of this. Custom ground camshafts, so the engine could be cranked counter-clockwise, like a Honda, and a gearbox to rotate counter-clockwise as well. And its done. What do you think?

[SAMoloGY]

I think i found out the trick to all of this. Custom ground camshafts, so the engine could be cranked counter-clockwise, like a Honda, and a gearbox to rotate counter-clockwise as well. And its done. What do you think?
doesnt make sense dude, engine rotation doesnt depend on the cam, but on the crank!

anyways, otto.. u still didnt explain why the put the engine in backwards.. and why the **** is the turbo sitting right next to the driver?

im pretty sure it has something to do with the tranny, but.. that doesnt explain the whole concept of putting an engine in backwards, the huge intake manifold wouldnt fit? (put a smaller one).. t51r wont fit infront? its a drag car.. move the radiator!!

anyways i searched about this car.. and according to the owner it was done as a show factor since the car has custom frame!

[SAMoloGY]

http://ignitionmagazine.co.nz/content/features/12/photos/IMG0248.jpg

a better pic of the engine.. its not a evo III engine afterall!! its an evo VIII motor!

[ADM]

doesnt make sense dude, engine rotation doesnt depend on the cam, but on the crank!

anyways, otto.. u still didnt explain why the put the engine in backwards.. and why the **** is the turbo sitting right next to the driver?

im pretty sure it has something to do with the tranny, but.. that doesnt explain the whole concept of putting an engine in backwards, the huge intake manifold wouldnt fit? (put a smaller one).. t51r wont fit infront? its a drag car.. move the radiator!!

anyways i searched about this car.. and according to the owner it was done as a show factor since the car has custom frame!
Im sorry, but the crank can rotate any direction it wants. A cam shaft's cam lobes, are aligned in a certain way so that the intake valve opens 1st, and then the exhaust, and rotating backwards, will only cause the exhast valves to open before the intake. And we are talking about a clockwise rotating engine. Now, should you decide to rotate counter-clockwise, you will need to manufacture a custom made cam shaft, so that during rotation, the intake valves open before the exhaust.

But lets stick to your theory and knowledge shall we, lets just rotate the engine counter-clockwise, without the appropriate cam shaft :) and this is what will happen.

Inhale through the exhaust manifold, and exhale through the intake manifold? And place injectors at the exhaust ports to inject fuel? Place the turbo at the end of the intake while your at it.

So, you were saying something about the crank?

Oh yes, i couldnt let you catch me out on this one. Yes, the lubrication pores in the crank also are designed for the oul to pass through them as the crank rotates clockwise. But, dont forget, you can always make a custom crankshaft, and have the pores drilled the opposite direction, and still maintain the use of them.

So, what was that about the crank again?

yaaaawnn, i think i just killed this topic. I think i have to ease off my technical imagination. Although, it does do the trick all the time :)


Ill go and sleep. Goodnight :wave:

[Faisal]

pics not working, red x

[ELGT]

the pics r working now

[twin-turbo]

is this a Kiwi car>? cause i know evos, and skylines are very popular in the drag scene over there,
And can some one explain if they made a custom frame and custom everything why did they mount the turbo in the cockpit? Check the turbos box there is a whole cut in the firewall just above it
http://www4.0zz0.com/2007/02/26/20/67955476.jpg
But why wouldnt they mount it some where else? and use say a hood scoop? the plumbing in this car has got me confused but im sure its done this way for a good reason as it will be a higher dollar car so it not your local mechanic doing this project
check the gear nob lol looks very standard for such a monster hahaha

[ADM]

You would expect this car to have a sequential gearbox.

You think your confused with the piping? We are trying to figure out why they rotated the engine 180 degrees, and still can drive the car forward!

[vette4ever]

Nice machine ........

[SAMoloGY]

seriously dude.. u just proved urself a worthless mechanic, CAMS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE WAY THE ENGINE ROTATES, the cams are spun by the crankshaft in the first place.. ever heard of a timing belt or chain?? even if u design camshafts that work on opening the exhaust valves first.. the engine is still rotating clockwise! the starter spins it the same way on initial ignition, did u say something about the cams?? lol its seriously makes no sense.. mechanics 101 dude! ROTARY ENGINES HAVE NO CAMS! BUT THEY SPIN CLOCKWISE! its the way the intake and exhaust ports are located, but.. u know what.. spin it the other way and IT WILL WORK!

spin a normal engine anti-clockwise and it will spin freely!

[ADM]

seriously dude.. u just proved urself a worthless mechanic, CAMS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE WAY THE ENGINE ROTATES, the cams are spun by the crankshaft in the first place.. ever heard of a timing belt or chain?? even if u design camshafts that work on opening the exhaust valves first.. the engine is still rotating clockwise! the starter spins it the same way on initial ignition, did u say something about the cams?? lol its seriously makes no sense.. mechanics 101 dude! ROTARY ENGINES HAVE NO CAMS! BUT THEY SPIN CLOCKWISE! its the way the intake and exhaust ports are located, but.. u know what.. spin it the other way and IT WILL WORK!

spin a normal engine anti-clockwise and it will spin freely!
Yes, but how will it combust fuel, compress, if you are doing all the steps in reverse?

So, if the engine rotates clockwise, but with the exhaust valves opening first, how will it run? You are teeling me, you will induce air from the exhaust manifold, and use the intake as the exhaust?

There is no doubt the engine will spin freely in any direction of rotation. But, will it be able to combust fuel if its running the other way around? Remember, the 4G63 isnt a Honda engine to run counterclockwise.

Wait, thats a good example. Could you run a Honda engine counterclockwise, without using cam shafts that will open the intake valves before the exhaust valves?

Think deeply about how the engine is gonna rotate, and the syncorisation of the whole motion of the engines parts as it comences its 4 strokes. You cant do the strokes in reverse, or can you do so, and run the engine?

Just one more thing. Dont forget, the injectors are on the intake side :) So, you could never run a clockwise rotating engine counterclockwise, unless you built a custom head with custom ground camshafts.

So, you were saying something about me being a worthless mechanic? Prove me wrong Karl Benz a.k.a Staind Wheels :)

[SAMoloGY]

tell me mr. mechanic.. how does the piston decide to go left or right when comming down on its stroke.. when u answer that, ill admit that ur right!

[ED]

DING DING DING, and we start the My willy is bigger than your contest!!!!!!!!!

[ADM]

tell me mr. mechanic.. how does the piston decide to go left or right when comming down on its stroke.. when u answer that, ill admit that ur right!
The piston only travel vertically :) up or down :) It is the connecting rod's lower end bearing, which is clamped to the crankshaft, and also runs on a shell bearing, that rotates in a circle, either clock wise, or anti-clockwise, depending on the roation of the engine. Th piston doesnt decide it. In a clockwise engine, you crank the engine clockwise, and by inertial roation, and momentum, it will carry on rotating in the direction that the engines was cranked on in the 1st place. And secondly, the piston head merely pivots on the connecting rod, and the connecting rod pivots on crankshaft's bearing respective to the piston culinder itself.

Now, before you think about saying "wait, let me ask him, when the piston is at TDC or BDC, and its perfectly vertical during that point, how does it change its directon and not get stuck there?"

Well, the other pistons are also moving at the same time, qick enough to avoid that from happening, and plus, like we agreed, inertia of rotation, and the webs of the crank also have weights to balance the crankshaft.

Even in a single piston engine, the same happens.

Hope i didnt get too technical for you :)

Sarz, dont worry man, im enjoying this. And if he can prove me wrong, and provide us with the correct explanation, i really dont mind :) You only learn from making mistakes.

[SAMoloGY]

SALMAN.. THATS EXACTLY WHAT IM TRYING TO TELL U FOOL!

if the starter spins clockwise.. it will continue going clockwise! anti-clockwise.. the same! damn man.. u might make a good mechanic.. but ud make a crappy teacher!

[ADM]

SALMAN.. THATS EXACTLY WHAT IM TRYING TO TELL U FOOL!

if the starter spins clockwise.. it will continue going clockwise! anti-clockwise.. the same! damn man.. u might make a good mechanic.. but ud make a crappy teacher!
Yes, but my point is, how are you going to run an engine anti-clockwise when its designed to run clockwise? How is it going to work? You just tell me that. And if you did rotate the whole power and drive train 180 degrees, that means the car should be running 5 gears in reverse! and one gear forward, or am i wrong?

[-=<FOXXX>=-]

this is fun, someone get some popcorn

[- Big&Blue -]

nice pics, dint understand a word (engine talk) after that

[ZEX]

Keeping the fun away ,,,, i think somebody here should learn from his mistakes and give up :D

[SAMoloGY]

Keeping the fun away ,,,, i think somebody here should learn from his mistakes and give up :D
why?? he never prooved me wrong.. and i never prooved him wrong as well..

the discussion never ended! what mistakes did i do to learn from?

[Quarantine]

thats not what i expected to see, when I read the thread name