Air Intakes

[Your Nightmare]

shabbab what do u recommend for a 4cyl 5th gen accord??
CIA (cold air intake) or SRI (short ram intake) ???:thinking2
what about brands?
AEM? K&N? ingen? DC?
recommendations plz

heres what i think..
CAI supposedly will give more hp but on a 4 cyl the difference isnt noticable so short ram will save me money, or what do u guys think...??? is the CAI worth it or should i just get a SRI?!

:feedback:

[4ced]

depends... where are u planning to go with after this?

do u have plans for turbo etc or not... if not, the short ram is enough, but if u wanna go forced induction later, i think a cold air is best. as for brands, most of them are almost the same i had an injen on the eclipse it worked pretty well, see how much ur budget can afford and go for it. if its a serious project car spend all ur money on it

if not then just get any 30 dinar intake from any auto shop in jedali :D

[Your Nightmare]

thanx man :thanks:
i wanna go forced induction but no one recommended that cuz it has 211887 miles :crying2:

[Mr Aryan]

4ced induction!!! :thinking2

your nightmare........ if you're planning to go forced induction later, get just a K&N filter and use your stock pipe, and that's it....
but if not going that far, AEM intake are the best, they got the AEM V2 now, donno if it's good for accord, what i heard is that the old AEM intake is better than the V2 for the RSX... so you have to search for your car...

if you're getting turbo kit or anything later, you'll have all the pipes including filter pipe, and will be having it in different location, so you won't be using the CAI anymore.. (CAI goes into the intake manifold, turbo and supercharger excluding JR won't be in located in the intake manifold so will have different pipe for the filter)...
understood :thinking2

[4ced]

211887 is quite a bit

MILES?!?

damn thats like 300,000 km..

get a new engine :D

yes yes, 4ced induction, thats me... how much $$$ do u have right now

[SS]

get a Type R sticker, it will give you 10hp :dance:

[Silver SS]

Very nice engine bay :pimp:

[4ced]

thx :bigok: it took a lot of work and a lot of $$$!

[Your Nightmare]

4ced induction!!! :thinking2

your nightmare........ if you're planning to go forced induction later, get just a K&N filter and use your stock pipe, and that's it....
but if not going that far, AEM intake are the best, they got the AEM V2 now, donno if it's good for accord, what i heard is that the old AEM intake is better than the V2 for the RSX... so you have to search for your car...

if you're getting turbo kit or anything later, you'll have all the pipes including filter pipe, and will be having it in different location, so you won't be using the CAI anymore.. (CAI goes into the intake manifold, turbo and supercharger excluding JR won't be in located in the intake manifold so will have different pipe for the filter)...
understood :thinking2

there is AEM V2 for mine..
i was thinking K&N typoon SRI or AEM V2 CAI
hard to decide... cuz im not sure about my further plan yet.. nothing confirmed so far!

i was thinking about the mini superchargers..
tubo kit... :thinking2 is it going to do just fine in our lovely weather?!!! i doubt!

[Your Nightmare]

any suggestions on what i can do?
anyone tried somethin and wants to recommend..
money is not an issue on a forum board..
lets discuss performance :grin:

[Ottoman]

CAI's give a better bump up in the midrange and shway Torque
but because of the lengthy piping they have alot of restrictions

Short rams are just a big stick with a filter on the end, they're designed to screw mid range and add all to the top end...

for honda's short ram is the way to go since we're all about revving to to 8,000+ :)

filter wise everyone Agrees K&N is the best for balancing filtration and restriction... and they are re-usable u can wash them and re oil them and they're good as new...

if u're lookin for real performance an Intake wont save u.... it lets the engine breathe a little easier and rev a little free-er... but don't expect any miracle to happen

[4ced]

no dude, money IS an issue since if u dont have it, u cant do it! :D

otherwise i would have just told u to drop a 2.2 litre Vtec in there, T4 turbo and full stage 3 setup :naughty:

if u want to buy a turbo system it should cost somewhere between 1400-1600 dinars for a reasonable one for a normal 4 cyl car. Otherwise, your cheaper option is to look for a scrapped eclipse or something like that and take the turbo and IC from there, and just add a few pipes here and there, blow off valve etc and u can make ur own turbo setup which is almost as good as most branded ones!

[Your Nightmare]

CAI's give a better bump up in the midrange and shway Torque
but because of the lengthy piping they have alot of restrictions

Short rams are just a big stick with a filter on the end, they're designed to screw mid range and add all to the top end...

for honda's short ram is the way to go since we're all about revving to to 8,000+ :)

filter wise everyone Agrees K&N is the best for balancing filtration and restriction... and they are re-usable u can wash them and re oil them and they're good as new...

if u're lookin for real performance an Intake wont save u.... it lets the engine breathe a little easier and rev a little free-er... but don't expect any miracle to happen

lol, i know.. the intake is just a start :) im getting an exhaust system soon inshallah.. its on the way.. :up:
im holding up headers for now till i make up my mind what direction i should go in the future..
engin swap, ecu programming
forced induction, supercharger, nos
or even if turbo kitting!

all needs to be planned.. if i'll get anything, i want it for long term and to fit with my future plans... but the problem is i cant make up my mind yet!
and here where i will need some help...
what direction do u guys suggest?
something thats not a headache, gains great power without screwin up the whole performance in few months keeping in mind a heavy daily use.. :D
ya right man rev rev revvvv :up: thats what its all about!

ps. excuse my stupidty guys.. just started and i dunno much thats why i need some guidance. i know what i know as u can see but when it comes to deep stuff im lost or perhaps im just being careful and very picky! :soccer:

[Your Nightmare]

no dude, money IS an issue since if u dont have it, u cant do it! :D

says who?!!!
man wake up..
its the bank robbing fashion all over the country :nofear: LOL

[Ottoman]

lol, i know.. the intake is just a start :) im getting an exhaust system soon inshallah.. its on the way.. :up:
im holding up headers for now till i make up my mind what direction i should go in the future..
engin swap, ecu programming
forced induction, supercharger, nos
or even if turbo kitting!

all needs to be planned.. if i'll get anything, i want it for long term and to fit with my future plans... but the problem is i cant make up my mind yet!
and here where i will need some help...
what direction do u guys suggest?
something thats not a headache, gains great power without screwin up the whole performance in few months keeping in mind a heavy daily use.. :D
ya right man rev rev revvvv :up: thats what its all about!

ps. excuse my stupidty guys.. just started and i dunno much thats why i need some guidance. i know what i know as u can see but when it comes to deep stuff im lost or perhaps im just being careful and very picky! :soccer:


alright..

u have to decide what your goal is...
AutoX? Drag? or just a little more pep?

which engine do u have? f22a? or h22a?
what is your goal in horsepower?
is your car auto or manual?

answer these questions and then i can help u further

[Mr Aryan]

alright..

u have to decide what your goal is...
AutoX? Drag? or just a little more pep?

which engine do u have? f22a? or h22a?
what is your goal in horsepower?
is your car auto or manual?

answer these questions and then i can help u further
true true :kid:

[Ottoman]

true true :kid:


I saw the other night in adliya... u pulled up next to me at the sitra light in your Type R, and we went towards sanad area... u had the windows down cruising slow...

nice ride btw :uzi:

[Mr Aryan]

I saw the other night in adliya... u pulled up next to me at the sitra light in your Type R, and we went towards sanad area... u had the windows down cruising slow...

nice ride btw :uzi:
yeah remember seeing a green CRX!!! but cruising slow?? yeah cause i had a phone call, otherwise you know :crazy:

[Red Arrow]

my advice is to get the three magic modifications ,thats: CAi + exhaus- system + headers and some electronics

:thanku:

[Your Nightmare]

alright..

u have to decide what your goal is...
AutoX? Drag? or just a little more pep?

which engine do u have? f22a? or h22a?
what is your goal in horsepower?
is your car auto or manual?

answer these questions and then i can help u further

:thanks:

engine f22b, auto.. im trying to find the best way to get the maximum hp gain for a daily use..
money is not an issue.. i can start saving or get a loan or rob a bank :grin: lol

here we go guyz.. list down ur mods recommendations (each one with the full requirments and additional mods needed plz :D )

shoot..

and thanx in advance :cheers:

[Your Nightmare]

my advice is to get the three magic modifications ,thats: CAi + exhaus- system + headers and some electronics

:thanku:

i'll get an exhaust system 4 sure.. but i'll wait on the intake and headers cuz..
i'll lose the CIA if i added a turbo kit!! and i'll lose the headers if i did an engine swap!!!
plans 1st.. i'll count on the guys to recommend the best :dance:

thanx

[Ottoman]

:thanks:

engine f22b, auto.. im trying to find the best way to get the maximum hp gain for a daily use..
money is not an issue.. i can start saving or get a loan or rob a bank :grin: lol

here we go guyz.. list down ur mods recommendations (each one with the full requirments and additional mods needed plz :D )

shoot..

and thanx in advance :cheers:


well my first question is are u set on keeping this engine or are u willing to do a swap?

an H22a swap is fairly cheap and will give u good gains and the aftermarket support is good

U can get a JDM H22a with Manual transmission and LSD for around 280 BD or so.. and this will bump u up to 200hp

your automatic tranny will reall hinder u from putting your power to the ground... unless u have a mercedes or an American car u really should have a manual tranny...

[Your Nightmare]

your automatic tranny will reall hinder u from putting your power to the ground... unless u have a mercedes or an American car u really should have a manual tranny...

so ur saying manual or nothing! :welcome2:
i dunno i just dont have plans to change to manual yet!
im sure there are alot of ways to gain hp on auto other than the E/I/H..

[Your Nightmare]

i think a Honda auto tranny can handle up to 200-225 hp :soccer: fair enough!

but the Q is: whats the best way to hit that 200-220 hp? :thinking2

[Ottoman]

i think a Honda auto tranny can handle up to 200-225 hp :soccer: fair enough!

but the Q is: whats the best way to hit that 200-220 hp? :thinking2


the problem with auto isn't just how much power it can hold... but the power lost before it get's to the wheels... and the lag as the auto clutches slip to put the power down...

but if u really wanna keep your engine and tranny...

your engine is making 140hp... through that auto tranny that's about 17-20% loss.. so u're making around 115 hp to the wheels

so u want to add 60-80 hp to your engine...

basic bolts on's Intake header and exhaust... will give u around 5-10 hp..
and that will cost u around 200-250 bd for the kechra stuff.. if u get brand name stuff it'll cost more...

the only way u'll get that kinda power for your engine is forced induction

which is a Turbo kit or a superchager kit...

which will cost u around 1,000 or more BD

which isn't really worth spending on that engine.. don't u think??

u need a good base engine to build on.... and sadly the f22b just isn't one of them... sorry :toilet:

[Phoenix]

Ottoman :blahblah:

[...SILVIA...]

Ottoman :blahblah:


I 2nd that :bsflag:

[Your Nightmare]

the only way u'll get that kinda power for your engine is forced induction

which is a Turbo kit or a superchager kit...

which will cost u around 1,000 or more BD

which isn't really worth spending on that engine.. don't u think??


we9alna 5air :up: now the Q is not wether the F22b is worth or not.. its wether it will work fine with the FI kits or not! :stickpok:
there are turbo kits available for f22b which means it aint as bad as u :blahblah: and it can handle things fine! (though im not sure)
i dunno if there are superchargers for it.. perhaps a mini supercharger..
still doin my search.. but i still need suggestions and recommendations!

if i can hit a supercharger on the f22b im up for it.. call me stupid but i feel like working with my engine.. :screwy: i feel it has potential!!!

[Ottoman]

Ottoman :blahblah:



I 2nd that :bsflag:



thanx for your wonderful and helpful input... if u guys like boosting your post count with wonderful and useful information and showing off your mad emoticon skills please take it to the general chat threads... this forum already has too many bs'ers here...

some ppl actually come here to learn something even if u guys don't...

[Ottoman]

we9alna 5air :up: now the Q is not wether the F22b is worth or not.. its wether it will work fine with the FI kits or not! :stickpok:
there are turbo kits available for f22b which means it aint as bad as u :blahblah: and it can handle things fine! (though im not sure)
i dunno if there are superchargers for it.. perhaps a mini supercharger..
still doin my search.. but i still need suggestions and recommendations!

if i can hit a supercharger on the f22b im up for it.. call me stupid but i feel like working with my engine.. :screwy: i feel it has potential!!!

ok assuming we stay with the same engine...

any car can be turbo charged... whether u'll grenade your engine is another matter

because honda's were never designed from the factory to be boosted there are alot of factors that have to be considered

it takes more then just slamming air into your chamber to make things work....

u need engine mangement or at least fuel management

the honda's come with a 1 Bar MAP sensor so they're designed to run at 1 atm... as soon as the sensor detects positive pressure (i.e. boost) the car goes into limp mode and dies on u

so u need to bypass the built in safety features of the car...

and tuning is another problem all in itself... because of bahrain's poor tuning facilities it's very difficult to tune a car without a Dyno.. I know ppl who gained 20 hp at the wheels just from dyno tuning they're car... because there's no way to know what the engine is doing without a Wide band O2 to check air/fuel ratios (very important so that u don't blow your engine to pieces) and watching your Torque/hp curves for irregularities...

but if all that doesn't matter to u

basically it's like this:

Turbo is higher maintence and more complex to install.. BUT gives u more potential..

Super charger is bolt on and go... but maximum power is less but easier to maintain which would probably be a better choice for u..

either way u'll still need to look at Engine/fuel management for your car...
Hondata, Zdyne, AFC, Vortech FMU are just some routes u can take...

Forced induction isn't something u should just jump into... it takes alot of research and homework to do properly...

and then there's the reliability issues involved...if this car is your daily driver i highly recommend u look into other means then forced induction... because your car will have alot of down time till everything is ironed out properly (especially turbo)

u can look into Nitrous Oxide as well for a cheap and effective way of makin more power if u only want to use it for races and stuff...just be careful with the stuff

[Your Nightmare]

thanx for your wonderful and helpful input... if u guys like boosting your post count with wonderful and useful information and showing off your mad emoticon skills please take it to the general chat threads... this forum already has too many bs'ers here...

some ppl actually come here to learn something even if u guys don't...

3jeeeb :grin:

:up2:

[Your Nightmare]

u can look into Nitrous Oxide as well for a cheap and effective way of makin more power if u only want to use it for races and stuff...just be careful with the stuff

:thanks: thanx for the advice man... NOS is one hell of a risky ****! :flush:

i'll do my search on the f22b superchargers and engine swap..
.. but i dont wanna change the tranny:duh: dont wanna go back to the old manual dayz! engine swap is a headache.. with all the wiring and gear problems! :thinking:

[Ottoman]

:thanks: thanx for the advice man... NOS is one hell of a risky ****! :flush:

i'll do my search on the f22b superchargers and engine swap..
.. but i dont wanna change the tranny:duh: dont wanna go back to the old manual dayz! engine swap is a headache.. with all the wiring and gear problems! :thinking:


the problem is the H series and F series don't share the same tranny so u can't just swap the engine and not the tranny...

manual geared engines come with higher compression pistons and a wilder cam gear so produce more power cuz the trannies can handle them...

an your car will easily accomodate an H22a hell ppl squeeze that engine into a civic!

if u really want u can get an H22a with an automatic transmission and wirin and ECU they are easy to come by in Emirates... especially the auto's cuz everyone is always scooping up the manuals... u should have an easy time comin by an auto one....

anyways any u go at it... good luck and post back if u have any more questions :bigok:

[Your Nightmare]

an your car will easily accomodate an H22a hell ppl squeeze that engine into a civic!



yeah im glad the 2.2 is doing great for me :) and thats why im thinking twice not to give it up!

but ur right the H22a will fit 100% perfectly cuz the f22b that i have is the largest 4cyl Honda that has been made for its line up, and there are only two series of engines that share that same capacity - the F22B and the H22A. The only diff is that the H22a engine uses a high compression ratio, and the VTEC system stomps out 142kW at 6800 rpm. In comparison, the F22B makes 108kW, at a more conservative 5800 revs :up2: (as i've read in a mag)

i guess the F22b is good enough to handle a supercharge if not then i'll swap to H22a and there i'll hopefully have alot of options! :banana: